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Post by crowsfoot on Aug 9, 2017 6:04:38 GMT
doing that period of plumbing many floor were butchered because 'shallow' traps were frowned apon because they did't give a 3 inch water seal as required by water by laws, since then mc calpines developed the 'long instead of deep' trap and also a lot of diyers use the shallow trap that does not conform but don't give a fuck, After all, a mans house is his castle and many time the trap is not considered untill after its fitted and the diyer can't fit a 3 inch trap because of the floor so goes back to the shop and asks " have you got one of those white bent things that will fit under a bath for the waste ",  We still have them in our works stores ! They can save you a bit of work sometimes, especially when renewing sink wastes, because when the waste hole doesn't always line up quite right with a new sink trap the bath trap connection will finish a couple of inches higher.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 11:28:28 GMT
I decided to ditch the chickens. They were on in an erratic pattern ie no pattern discernible - just as the were picked up? Some were in groups with same facing & then random. So given the grout-free workmanship & the fact that only 1.5 tiles seemed to to be 100% cemented on, I wanted to see the back of them. They are still in the bin if anyone wants one Interesting that the floor could be routinely mauled like this. Shame that they couldn't have at least tried to make a tidy hole tho! It looks like it was done with a chain saw & the bits just chucked in the hole. My tap has finally turned up - the supplier sent a 2nd one out. So, as I can now attempt to man-handle this thing into place I wondered do you guys normally use plumbers mait or prefer silicon seal on the bath waste/trap joins? I used plumbers mait on the sink & it seems ideal, but it's not so easy to crawl under the bath so is a 'harder' join a better bet...? |
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Post by tomplum on Aug 9, 2017 17:15:34 GMT
don't use any sealant on the bath waste, put it on dry and it will be fine,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:47:28 GMT
Cheers Tomplum. I think I will put plumbers mait on the pop-up (plug-hole) waste assembly, as with the basin, I'd seen a couple of YT vids where they pile in the silicon on everything...it all looks tidy but I think trying to undo stuff done like that can't be much fun. Today I managed to drill the tap holes & fit the mixer. I think the 25mm hole cutter must have been 24.95mm as the connecting threaded pipes would not go into them past the point the thread started. I managed to get them on centre tho, as I tried with just one leg in each hole (tap turned so one leg over empty space) & they wouldn't fit. Had to use a 1/2 round file to open em up a little. Went in OK in the end. Don't see it coming out in a hurry tho! I was able to use a template for the 180mm spaced center points that was printed on the bath fitting manual. I checked it matched the tap first. I then masked it all off & stuck that down in place. Held my breath & drilled a 2mm, upped to a 4mm pilot then went in with the supplied larger bit of the hole cutter. Nerve-wracking but OK. So I lost my tap-hole virginity without too many tears  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 16:44:03 GMT
.....the saga continues. I managed to manhandle the tub into position & got it level. I fitted the tap flexi-pipes & added some compression type isolation valves to the pipe work (exciting stuff!). Got to the trap, finally, & it went together nicely. Or so I thought. The bastard is weeping from the ring that locks onto the pop-up waste spigot. Of course that drip has to go straight into that lovely hole & onto the plasterboard ceiling. Pulled it all apart, dismantled the trap checked the seal looked OK, added some ptfe to the spigot thread. Reassembled. 1/4 filled the bath, & then let it drain. After the water all seemed to have gone, 3 drops weeped out. I've done it up as tight as my hands will allow so I am not impressed. Now I see why Tomplum says traps can be bad news...  |
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Post by tomplum on Aug 11, 2017 17:12:35 GMT
most joints need hand tight plus a quarter turn with a spanner/wrench and if it still drips, another quarter turn and another till it stops, but be cautious, a trained eye feel will tell when you dare not go anymore,  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 12:30:25 GMT
Thanks for the quarter turn rule of thumb Tomplum! I had picked up my grips and looked at the plastic fitting and thought "I'm not sure if this would be too much... " I put them back down at that point & tried a bit more with my hands. I am obviously wary of the dangers of stripping or shearing off these fittings because putting in new waste outlet in the bath is not something I want to be doing at this moment in time! I have just added about 5/16ths of a turn with the grips, as I went beyond that first quarter I felt it harden up. (As the actress said to the bishop)  On my initial test it looks like it may have done the trick  |
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