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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 14:29:37 GMT
My open vent system is not filling. I have filled by back-filling but I need to sort it out.
The pipes go down the vertical stack and under the floor and I think they are blocked.
I plan to cap them in the loft and add a new cold feed and expansion in the airing cupboard (tank is directly above). I will plumb it in just before the pump.
Can I do this or am I going to create more problems?
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Post by tomplum on Oct 15, 2019 15:39:05 GMT
hello diy22 and welcome, the blockage will be on the first tee down the cold feed, So if that tee is easy to get at, just cut that out and it will fill again, If you can't get to it, another good way is to fit a filling loop in the cylinder cupboard, connect a pipe from the cold main to the boiler vent, put a valve on it so it can only fill as you supervise it, block the vent with a conex cap and fill the system, when its full take the cap off the vent
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 19:00:57 GMT
Thank you for you help. First of all I have seen you YouTube video's and they are very helpful so thanks for them too.
The problem is that both the boiler vent and cold feed are together and are not accessible.
I was planning to cap the current cold feed and vent and then put new pipes in to the airing cupboard.
Would that work?
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Post by tomplum on Oct 15, 2019 19:23:20 GMT
can you post some pics of your airing cupboard please
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 10:31:25 GMT
I have added a few pics. Hopefully this will help. I am planning to cut at the blue lines and add the pipework before the pump. It will mean re-positioning the pump under the tank but there is space.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 10:58:55 GMT
This is what I plan to do. The green is the new part of the system. Should it work if I block off the current feed and expansion pipes in the loft?
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Post by tomplum on Oct 16, 2019 11:44:43 GMT
yes that would work, if its easier, Is just the same as connecting on the top circ
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 12:06:55 GMT
That is the loop going into the hot water tank so is after the pump and diverter. Does that matter?
How would I route the feed and return lines?
Thank you for your help.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 16, 2019 12:11:47 GMT
as you say its after the pump and diverter so its not perfect but it will still get a clear route to the boiler via the return,,,you will struggle like fuck getting to the pump
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 12:56:12 GMT
Perfect. Thanks very much. How would I have the pipes set up? This is how it is at the moment.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 16, 2019 13:08:13 GMT
extend to tank and cut off the existing and cap them with air vents so you can vent them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 13:16:01 GMT
So cut off the current cold feed in the loft and put an automatic vent.
Cut off the current expansion vent in the loft and put another automatic vent.
Extend the 15mm (currently auto vent) and connect that into the loft tank as the new cold feed.
Add a new 22mm pipe to the loft tank as the new expansion vent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 13:24:49 GMT
Not a great deal of space to do what you are suggesting. If I understood you correctly.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 16, 2019 14:08:13 GMT
thats about right yea, they don't need to be auto vents, in fact manuals are better because they wont drag air in, There's not much room but it looks to me easier than working near the pump and there does not look to be much room to put tees in, another option that I would do as my first thought, take the auto vent off in the existing cyliner flow, and fit a ballofix or stoptap, then connect it to the cold mains, this might push the blockage out, put even if it does not, it will fill the system because it has two routes, flow and return, edit,, forgot to say, blank off the cold feed and vent cos it might overflow from the top of the tank,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 14:54:02 GMT
I already had to fill the system by back filling from one of the drain points.
When I filled the system, I just left the vent open so it filled the tank, then overflowed through the overflow pipe to the outside.
Maybe if I try again but cap the vent pipe, it might blast the blockage in the cold fill with mains pressure back into the tank.
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