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Post by clart on Apr 22, 2020 20:15:06 GMT
So the site I'm working on have asked for the boilers to be upgraded. Currently 2 Ideal Concord CX open vented boilers doing heating only. I've been asked by my Gaffer to draw out a schematic drawing of the install so they can price the job. Both of the boilers have a manual three way valve on the flows from the boilers that the open vent is connected to, what is this valve for and what is it known as. Many thanks,
Clart >.<
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Post by tomplum on Apr 22, 2020 20:42:30 GMT
in my experience the flow should never be valved, I would make a header from 2 inch 3 inch or 4 inch pipe so the boilers input to that header, then feed the zones using motorized valves controlled by stats in the areas they are heating,
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 22, 2020 20:51:20 GMT
So the site I'm working on have asked for the boilers to be upgraded. Currently 2 Ideal Concord CX open vented boilers doing heating only. I've been asked by my Gaffer to draw out a schematic drawing of the install so they can price the job. Both of the boilers have a manual three way valve on the flows from the boilers that the open vent is connected to, what is this valve for and what is it known as. Many thanks, Clart >.< A real crap install that C!! The value must be to stop water circulation around a boiler that’s not in use?? If it’s being upgraded, it would be better with a Low Loss Head or a 1 Pipe Primary system.
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 23, 2020 6:32:29 GMT
They'll not be obstructing the vent (expansion pipe) DD. It may have valves on the flow pipe from the boiler but the main route of the vent pipe to the tank will be direct without any valves.
I'm trying to get my head around Clart's system. Any pictures Clart?
The manual 3 way valve sounds very interesting....something to close down a boiler when the systems not at full capacity perhaps?
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Post by DIYDafty on Apr 23, 2020 14:51:02 GMT
I deleted my post here and created a new one. Sorry for the confusion. Its all your's Clart !
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Post by clart on Apr 23, 2020 20:09:20 GMT
On further investigation, ( I rang my Dad, AKA Pappa Clart) the 3 way valves are used so that you can isolate the the water supply to the boiler so one can carry out maintenance on the appliance. Papper Clart informed me that a pressure relief valve was required before the 3 way valve just incase the worst case scenario occurred and the open vent was in the closed position. There are 2 PRVs installed on each boiler.
I'll take some photos tomorrow but I'm not sure how to share them on here?
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Post by clart on Apr 23, 2020 20:14:30 GMT
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 23, 2020 20:48:45 GMT
I've not had much experience on large commercial boilers Clart. However, I think that that's what's called a "blow down valve". Is it steam heating? If so, it's for relieving a build up of pressure which you do manually with a key that you open up when required. It's connected to a discharge pipe normally leading outside to discharge the steam in a safe place. The one I'm remembering went under the floor in the boiler house and then discharged over the canal. The pipe was rotten though and a load of steam would be released upwards into the boiler house whenever you operated it. We could play a trick on anyone entering the boiler room (if we was quick enough), we'd hear the door catch click wait a few seconds for our victim to get in the right spot then discharge it just as our visitor was directly over the rotten pipe area under the floor; if out timing was right we'd cover our visitor in a upwards blast shower of steam. NB I was caught out by this quite a few times before the penny finally dropped !
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Post by clart on Apr 23, 2020 21:28:35 GMT
Not Steam heating Bro. LTHW only.
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 24, 2020 6:26:39 GMT
Oh OK, I'm really out of my depth on this one Clart.
That flange joint does give it a way that it's more of an industrial than Domestic plumbing job.
It could still be for the manual release of air/pressure from the system though.
Does that vent pipe/release pipe from the valve lead to the outside?
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Post by clart on Apr 24, 2020 22:29:30 GMT
Oh OK, I'm really out of my depth on this one Clart. That flange joint does give it a way that it's more of an industrial than Domestic plumbing job. It could still be for the manual release of air/pressure from the system though. Does that vent pipe/release pipe from the valve lead to the outside? It just discharges to the floor. I'm gonna have to get me Dad in here on this forum I thinks..... Who wants to see Clarts Dad on Tinternet? >.<
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Post by battle1066 on Apr 25, 2020 16:39:00 GMT
Oh OK, I'm really out of my depth on this one Clart. That flange joint does give it a way that it's more of an industrial than Domestic plumbing job. It could still be for the manual release of air/pressure from the system though. Does that vent pipe/release pipe from the valve lead to the outside? It just discharges to the floor. I'm gonna have to get me Dad in here on this forum I thinks..... Who wants to see Clarts Dad on Tinternet? >.< Get him on he's probably fountain of knowledge Clart.
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 26, 2020 7:03:29 GMT
"Clart's Dad" sounds good to me too. Didn't he give us the tip about getting used compression cones off the pipe by gently tapping them around the edge? If that valve just discharges onto the floor then the one that I'm referring too was quite sophisticated in venting outside.
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Post by arfur chrysaik on Apr 26, 2020 20:43:56 GMT
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 28, 2020 6:35:20 GMT
I think I've just learnt something some 40 years after coming across it.
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