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Post by pb on Apr 5, 2021 12:24:59 GMT
A question I always get asked by other trades......... "Can you use different pushfit fittings and inserts on different plastic pipe" .........My answer is YES ! I do it all the time, the OD is all the same and as long as the insert isn't slack all good. We could never carry around all the different makes, the reason manufacturers don't like it is because they want you to buy their fittings. There are also many unbranded products about now days too so how would you match the fittings to pipe. Remember.....RULES ARE FOR FOOLS......  |
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Post by wetfinger on Apr 5, 2021 13:32:25 GMT
I have to say, on the rare occasion I use plastic I do obey the rules and jump through the hoops just in case I have a blow off and I don't want to give the loss adjusters any excuse..
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Post by anthonym on Apr 5, 2021 15:41:22 GMT
They are all the same but if you mix and match the manufacturers will use it as an excuse if anything goes wrong.
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Post by tomplum on Apr 5, 2021 17:55:56 GMT
My rule is, if you mix the fittings use copper between, they all are made to fit copper or plastic, So you're covered for any insurer trying to wriggle off the hook, There only 2 types of plumber 1. plumbers who get leaks 2. liar plumbers who never get leaks,  |
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Post by DIYDafty on Apr 5, 2021 18:26:00 GMT
I'm not a plumber just a DIYer but I can't understand how pushfits are allowed under the flooboards and in the walls. I've seen at first hand how doing something with one bit of pipe can disturb a hidden compression fitting further along causing it to drip. I can't believe pushfits are more reliant than compression fittings but maybe they are ?
The only time I'll leave a buried compression fitting alone is if someone else put it in and its in an awkward position. Oh and obviously if its bone dry with no danger of it being disturbed.
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Post by tomplum on Apr 5, 2021 19:33:21 GMT
Dafty your concerns were once ours too, I first used pushfit in the 1980's, it was for a carehome and the contractor insisted on plastic pushfit, Acorn as it was then, I was very nervous indeed but the contractor had been convinced by the acorn rep that, it will stand the test of time, and it has done that, ALL new houses now use it, under floor, in walls, ceilings and underground, Acorn became Hep20 and are the best of plastic pipe and fittings but, very expensive so, john guest ( the number 2) in my opinion ) is almost as good but, cheaper, then there are lots of imitations , which i don't trust but many do and, to be honest, seems to do the job ok,
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Post by pb on Apr 5, 2021 19:54:40 GMT
I agree Tom... Hep2o is number 1 and John Guest number 2  |
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 6, 2021 5:39:28 GMT
Hep2o is the best PF system👍👍
I use it daily in new builds. It takes a skilled artisans like me to push that stuff together.
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Post by pb on Apr 6, 2021 19:21:42 GMT
Hep2o is the best PF system👍👍 I use it daily in new builds. It takes a skilled artisans like me to push that stuff together. I find most new builds around here use polyblumb Dick, absolutely awful stuff IMO - probably the worst .  |
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Post by tomplum on Apr 6, 2021 20:32:50 GMT
Its the same here PB, some of my old mates still on sites tell me, its cheap so it goes in but, they have leaks all over the place and, the new builds are such that, its profit before quality, not just in plumbing , its cheap wood, cheap bricks/block, roof tiles, where there is a corner to cut, they take it, conclusion, never buy a new house, |
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Post by pb on Apr 6, 2021 21:28:41 GMT
Its the same here PB, some of my old mates still on sites tell me, its cheap so it goes in but, they have leaks all over the place and, the new builds are such that, its profit before quality, not just in plumbing , its cheap wood, cheap bricks/block, roof tiles, where there is a corner to cut, they take it, conclusion, never buy a new house,  It is definitely a cheap product Tom....you should see the state of some of the brickwork on them around here - looks like BB has had a go  |
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 7, 2021 5:34:27 GMT
As someone who’s been involved in New Build Housing for 47 years, DONT BUY A NEW BUILD HOUSE!!!
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 7, 2021 8:07:36 GMT
What happened to the term "safe as houses"? I know "Safe as old houses but not new builds"! NB I sometimes get asked to increase the water pressure in new builds because it's so low. I might increase it a little bit if it's really pathetic at the pressure reducing valve, however, the thought of a push fit blowing off due to the pressure increase is always at the front of my thinking if I do this. Horrible things (in my opinion)! |
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Post by woodbine66 on Apr 7, 2021 11:01:31 GMT
As someone who’s been involved in New Build Housing for 47 years, DONT BUY A NEW BUILD HOUSE!!!
I wouldn't buy anything newer than 70s, preferably earlier. My parents bought a new build in 1961 and still live in it. All the plumbing is quality and you can see the effort and good quality materials put into making something that would last. Just as well, as my old man is tight as 2 coats of paint and most of the plumbing is still there. Heavier gauge copper pipes all sweated joints just as good as the day they were installed. Original CI stack and still got original copper waste pipes and copper trap under original kitchen sink. Had to change the original kitchen pillar taps 6 years ago, as they were just too worn out to be serviced again. Threads gone in the valve - as I said, 2 coats of paint.  Still got original rads in hall and bathroom, but I've changed the others as the system was changed over from solid fuel BB and primatic (BB had split in it) to combi in 1986 - in went a Vaillant Sine. Then changed to Turbomax in 2004.
I remember when they built a massive new housing estate on edge of Bristol in late 80s/early 90s and they were throwing the houses up. Lovell Homes fcked up with their mortar mix which made walls weak. Saw on tv news you could just push a garden wall over with bare hands. Quite a few houses had to be demolished because they couldn't remedy the mortar in the house walls.
There's a council estate near me, mainly built in 30s and 50s, and the houses are built properly. Lots of people are buying these, and the semis are quite expensive. Even council houses were built better than the private houses they knock up these days. (No disrespect to the artisans involved today who must have to lower themselves to have to work with such low grade materials.  ) |
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 7, 2021 20:13:34 GMT
As someone who’s been involved in New Build Housing for 47 years, DONT BUY A NEW BUILD HOUSE!!!
I wouldn't buy anything newer than 70s, preferably earlier. My parents bought a new build in 1961 and still live in it. All the plumbing is quality and you can see the effort and good quality materials put into making something that would last. Just as well, as my old man is tight as 2 coats of paint and most of the plumbing is still there. Heavier gauge copper pipes all sweated joints just as good as the day they were installed. Original CI stack and still got original copper waste pipes and copper trap under original kitchen sink. Had to change the original kitchen pillar taps 6 years ago, as they were just too worn out to be serviced again. Threads gone in the valve - as I said, 2 coats of paint. Still got original rads in hall and bathroom, but I've changed the others as the system was changed over from solid fuel BB and primatic (BB had split in it) to combi in 1986 - in went a Vaillant Sine. Then changed to Turbomax in 2004.
I remember when they built a massive new housing estate on edge of Bristol in late 80s/early 90s and they were throwing the houses up. Lovell Homes fcked up with their mortar mix which made walls weak. Saw on tv news you could just push a garden wall over with bare hands. Quite a few houses had to be demolished because they couldn't remedy the mortar in the house walls.
There's a council estate near me, mainly built in 30s and 50s, and the houses are built properly. Lots of people are buying these, and the semis are quite expensive. Even council houses were built better than the private houses they knock up these days. (No disrespect to the artisans involved today who must have to lower themselves to have to work with such low grade materials. ) The Vaillant Sine, now there was a quality Combi!!! Social Housing is just as crap as the Spec Builds these days. Council Houses pre 1970 were quality builds. Second oldest son bought a ex-Council house(circa. 1965) in Welwyn Garden City, it’s like a brick shit house, really well built👍👍 Most Council House Sites had a COW & then used quality materials. The house bashers on New Builds are semi-skilled, fuck all is Level, Straight or Square. Most are Timer Frame, it shrinks & twists. Takes years to dry out & the soft wood they use is complete crap!! All the doors, skirtings, facings etc are all MDF - cardboard shite!! Me & most of my colleges are a bit Old Skool & try to leave a good job, but the young Pups don’t give a fuck & throw it in!! I do lots of Second Fix & Water testing etc.......If you don’t know who’s thrown it in, you have a pack of Glass Wool insulation to hand to mop up the floods!! But there’s a couple of us, where you can turn the water on & walk out the door. It’s fun & it suits me, good money & stress free. |
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Still got original rads in hall and bathroom, but I've changed the others as the system was changed over from solid fuel BB and primatic (BB had split in it) to combi in 1986 - in went a Vaillant Sine. Then changed to Turbomax in 2004.
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