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Post by cluelesskarl on Jun 19, 2021 18:10:32 GMT
My mum has had some work done on her boiler. After searching the web, she is now thinking her headache is poisoning... I'm thinking it's health/personnal worries. I have been down and ran the boiler for a while, sticking my head in and breathing deeply  . On the technical side, I've put two detectors by it, and nothing! For two days. The flame is blue, no stains around.
Anyway, unless there is something more I can do to check, (she won't call the gas emergency), what detectors would you reccomend. I've put a Honeywell and an all singing and screaming kidde by it at mo.
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Post by tomplum on Jun 19, 2021 19:04:02 GMT
stick a budgie in there Karl, , no seriously , what type of boiler is it, open flue, balanced flue or fanned flue, If its a fanned flue its not likely to happen because if the burner is wrong, the boiler will fail, The most likely boiler to cause carbon monoxide is the open flued, In any case those detectors would pick it up but if she is getting head aches its worth trying a few kinds for peace of mind, open bedroom windows and turn boiler off at night, then see if the head aches go,  |
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Post by crowsfoot on Jun 19, 2021 19:22:25 GMT
I'm sure that I've told this story before back in the mid 80s I was poisoned by carbon monoxide not from a boiler but from a van that I was driving. I was working with another plumber and we both admitted that we wasn't feeling very well. Both of us had extreme headaches with pressure pushing down on our eyes, my mate had a blue vein come out on his forehead. Both of us had become very lethargic and tired. When I walked upstairs to fit a new cistern and the whole room started spinning I suddenly put two and two together and realised what was happening to us. The next day we took it down to the garage who said nothing was wrong, but our symptoms continued. We refused to drive the thing a few days later - the garage then welded a bit extra on the exhaust. Still we were being poisoned by the van, it was one of those old bedford vans with the engine in the cabin. More complaints to the gaffer who responded by telling us to go to the doctors. The facilities were not in place back then to test for CO2 poisoning like they are today and no-one was interested in doing a blood test on us to check. I then got a new mate who was fit and well for the first week or so then he too became unwell. We was getting nowhere and riding round with all the windows down in the winter had become beyond a joke. We took the matter into our own hands and drained off the oil from the sump! It still took it around a couple of weeks for it to fuck up; and sounding dead rough we thought we'd better put some oil back into the engine before taking it back to the garage who this time took it off the road.....it did sound rough  . It was so loud it was like a couple of tractors coming along the road ! It worked and we soon got a different van and we slowly started to recover from the CO2 van poisoning. Both of us relieved that our brush with death by CO2 was now over! Tappy, |
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Post by tomplum on Jun 19, 2021 19:42:06 GMT
I've not heard that before Tappy, A good job you worked it out because it could quite easily had killed you and your mate so, well done you,  I had a similar although not as deadly experience with a Commer Van, the old British telecom bright yellow van with an engine in the cabin, I kept coughing a lot, a tickling dry cough and kept getting a smell of stink bombs,( only us owd uns will remember them ), anyrode it all came to light when the van would not start, I took it into a garage and the mechanic looked at the battery and sussed it straight away, Its fucked mate, its been leaking acid for a while and all the metal around the housing needs replacing, I'd been inhaling hydrochloric acid for months without knowing,  |
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jun 20, 2021 7:35:40 GMT
It’s the silent killer
Can you get a gas engineer out to put the tool on it to read it? This will give you & your mim piece of mind that’s it’s not the boiler.
If the reading is high then it can be sorted ASAP
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Post by dickpuller on Jun 20, 2021 7:40:31 GMT
My mum has had some work done on her boiler. After searching the web, she is now thinking her headache is poisoning... I'm thinking it's health/personnal worries. I have been down and ran the boiler for a while, sticking my head in and breathing deeply . On the technical side, I've put two detectors by it, and nothing! For two days. The flame is blue, no stains around.
Anyway, unless there is something more I can do to check, (she won't call the gas emergency), what detectors would you reccomend. I've put a Honeywell and an all singing and screaming kidde by it at mo.
Mate, you need to test around the boiler with a Flue Gas Analyser. Check the CO Parts Per Million in the atmosphere around the boiler & in the Room. In fact, check the whole house. Also, check the O2 throughout the entire property if you’re not getting over 20.6% O2 in any part of the house, it urgently needs further investigation. A FGA can be hired from any good Plumbers’ Metchants. After that, ensure the boiler receives a full ‘strip down’ service by a knowledgeable, time served Gas Safe Registered engineer. P.S. CO poisonings can be caused by so many things, things out of the home owners control. E.G. A house next to a busy small Car Park & fumes coming in through the Wall Vents. |
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Post by cluelesskarl on Jun 20, 2021 9:31:16 GMT
Many thanks Brew Cabin!
The landlord replaced it 2 years ago. Been a pain from the get go. (Vaillent)
Windows are open Tom, including right next to it. You were lucky with that battery! We have a lot of fires at work because of them.
I know what you mean about the fumes Tappy, sometimes I came out of the workshop grim as fuck. A year on furlough, no engine/welding fumes, I no longer wake up gasping for air... Still got the cough though.
I told mum to call the landlord/gas emergency Rocket, but she doesn't like to bother people. I don't like the standard of work the guy who installed it does, but it's the landlords one. His son left him to set up on his own.
Thanks Dick, I'll got to the merchants tomorrow! I do have an exhaust analyser at work, but it's old, and at work. Will get a proper one!
Many thanks again all. Will also buy a couple more detectors, as I don't have any at mo!  |
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jun 20, 2021 10:49:25 GMT
If it’s a rented house then it needs a LL gas safety certificate yearly
When was the last one done?
This isn’t optional for the LL
The agent should be getting it done whether the LL wants it or not
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Post by Scouse p on Jun 20, 2021 16:02:31 GMT
As a landlord of 14 years experience these enquiries should be firmly placed at the toes of the landlord....they should at least be paying for a competent person to attend and investigate
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Post by DIYDafty on Jun 20, 2021 16:59:59 GMT
As a landlord of 14 years experience these enquiries should be firmly placed at the toes of the landlord....they should at least be paying for a competent person to attend and investigate About to become a landlord myself and dreading it (UK rental anyway). So many gas certificate, sparks certificate (now mandatory), responsible for anything that goes wrong and stuffed if the tenant decides not to pay. Still slowly on the move to another country where the law is so much in favour of the landlord you can pretty well call the police at any time and get the tenants turfed out for virtually no reason. Not only that, if anything goes wrong like say a boiler the tenant has to pay for it or it comes out of their deposit. |
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Post by Scouse p on Jun 20, 2021 18:22:44 GMT
Yes I'm selling up.gone from 4 rentals and will only have 1 moving forward. Regulations change each year , law is.pre dominantly on the side of the tenant but the main reason is the tax changes that have gone against landlords last few years...made it so less profitable to the point of being not worth the hassle unless you have lots and.lots of.propwrty.
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jun 20, 2021 19:26:13 GMT
As a landlord of 14 years experience these enquiries should be firmly placed at the toes of the landlord....they should at least be paying for a competent person to attend and investigate About to become a landlord myself and dreading it (UK rental anyway). So many gas certificate, sparks certificate (now mandatory), responsible for anything that goes wrong and stuffed if the tenant decides not to pay. Still slowly on the move to another country where the law is so much in favour of the landlord you can pretty well call the police at any time and get the tenants turfed out for virtually no reason. Not only that, if anything goes wrong like say a boiler the tenant has to pay for it or it comes out of their deposit. The tenant has to pay for repairs? Wow. I like it. I’ve got a rental property & where I am the area is zoned & the council now require landlords to have a ‘licence’ lasting 5 years at a cost of £500 for them to inspect one & confirm it’s liveable! Another piss take. |
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Post by DIYDafty on Jun 20, 2021 19:33:13 GMT
About to become a landlord myself and dreading it (UK rental anyway). So many gas certificate, sparks certificate (now mandatory), responsible for anything that goes wrong and stuffed if the tenant decides not to pay. Still slowly on the move to another country where the law is so much in favour of the landlord you can pretty well call the police at any time and get the tenants turfed out for virtually no reason. Not only that, if anything goes wrong like say a boiler the tenant has to pay for it or it comes out of their deposit. Wow. I like it. I’ve got a rental property & where I am the area is zoned & the council now require landlords to have a ‘licence’ lasting 5 years at a cost of £500 for them to inspect one & confirm it’s liveable! Another piss take. Yep the tenant has to vacate the property in the same condition they found it when they moved in. |
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Post by Scouse p on Jun 20, 2021 20:27:15 GMT
About to become a landlord myself and dreading it (UK rental anyway). So many gas certificate, sparks certificate (now mandatory), responsible for anything that goes wrong and stuffed if the tenant decides not to pay. Still slowly on the move to another country where the law is so much in favour of the landlord you can pretty well call the police at any time and get the tenants turfed out for virtually no reason. Not only that, if anything goes wrong like say a boiler the tenant has to pay for it or it comes out of their deposit. The tenant has to pay for repairs? Wow. I like it. I’ve got a rental property & where I am the area is zoned & the council now require landlords to have a ‘licence’ lasting 5 years at a cost of £500 for them to inspect one & confirm it’s liveable! Another piss take. Yes Liverpool was the sa.e few years back...it was £4/500 per.property then overnight they abolished it....it was just another property tax... |
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Post by cluelesskarl on Jun 21, 2021 0:06:31 GMT
Wow. Having enough money to own more than one home, and expecting some poor, desperate, person, to not only pay your mortgage, but anything that goes wrong with the property, and be thrown out on a whim? Part of me is rather warming to the carnage that is coming... The LL has his man come in. Just because the ticket is signed, doesn't mean it is safe. Espescialy when the hob blows off the work top...
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. On the technical side, I've put two detectors by it, and nothing! For two days. The flame is blue, no stains around.
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