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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 12:30:36 GMT
First timer where toilet fitting is concerned & wondered if anyone has advice/tips on the wc->soil connection.
I am going to replace an old WC with a new close coupled one just bog standard, nothing exciting. I have seen a number of comments in my research about sealants & lubes. Some say yes others no, then theres the whole yes but not that stuff! argument.
I obviously don't want to use anything that rots seals or makes a hard bond. Just looking to make the whole rig water-tight where it needs to be.
Any advice appreciated.
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Post by endfeed on Jul 16, 2017 12:58:06 GMT
I use good owd vasaline,but if you want to do it correctly then use silcone greeze mate👍
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jul 16, 2017 14:25:02 GMT
I use good owd vasaline,but if you want to do it correctly then use silcone greeze mate👍 I think the OP is asking about sealants to stop leaks EF. My answer is nothing For the soul pipe to slip into the pan connection then Vaseline, washing up liquid or as EF says silicone grease or spray.
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Post by tomplum on Jul 17, 2017 9:27:59 GMT
I use water to lube the pan connector, if you put too much on a bent connector it will slide off when you flush, It don't matter on a straight pen connector because the pan will hold it on, but a pan connector can blow off, so beware of that,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 12:43:32 GMT
Thanks for the replies. I have both vaseline & silicon spray to hand so I have a chance of getting it on there. (It's a straight connector in this case not an elbow). For background - I'd seen someone squirt silicon seal into the soil pipe end before pushing in the fin end of the connector. I wondered about how that would come out if ever needed. I also heard washing-up liquid will rot seals so not wanting the explosive blow-out that is possible I really wanted to hear from the experts Water has a way of finding it's way out of things, but having stuff like push-fit plumbing about now I hope that the pan connector will behave. TBH I am not looking forward to the job, but I think I can do it... will let you know at the weekend (if I am not swimming around!).
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jul 17, 2017 15:48:42 GMT
Don't use silicone
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Post by crowsfoot on Jul 18, 2017 6:10:03 GMT
Agreed, I hate the ruddy stuff. It's very tempting to squirt a bit on for luck when you're fitting a WC, but I always think of the poor person who's going to have to scrape all the old silicone off when it needs some maintenance.... it might be you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 11:37:59 GMT
Thanks for the confirmations chaps.
Got me thinking about what can go wrong removing the the old WC connector.
Any issues with pulling it out of the soil pipe?
This is a hard water area & it's been in situ for 20+ years. I imagine I will be able to 'just' pull it out, but maybe you know some horror stories that could be avoided smiley-whacky086 fan shit
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jul 18, 2017 13:41:41 GMT
Just pull it off & put the new one on
They're maybe some shit in the old one so I'd glove up & have a black bag close.
Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:38:13 GMT
Cheers rocketmanbkk
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 18:01:38 GMT
I've managed to do the WC and decided to also do the washbasin. As it turned out the biggest problem and the things which took the most time was extracting the old screws/porcelain. The original builder had simply used four-inch flathead screws to attach everything. These had rusted solid & obviously the heads 1/2 broke &/or twisted. Of a total of eight screws only three could be extracted 'normally'. I ended up breaking the wash basin and its standing pillar to get them off the last of the screws which then were extracted using grips to turn them. I would have been happier if the heads had sheared off so I could then cut them off flush but that wasn't going to happen. So my fears of rampant soil/water release have so far been avoided. Once the screws were out I was able to move the pan and with a little bit of wiggling pull the original soil connector out of the grey soil pipe. I used a little vaseline on the WC spigot but left the soil pipe untouched and pushed it all together. Quite surprised how flimsy & brittle feeling these new flush siphons etc are.... but they are working properly! And talking of annoying screws, the supplied new screws for the WC pedestal weren't of very good quality and heads stripped whilst I was trying to screw them in (by hand). Replaced with harder screws I only had one wet problem with the wash basin and that is the existing bronze coloured plastic pipe for the drain. I fitted a new bottle trap and that is watertight and has a watertight connection to the original waste pipe but where there are elbows, the pipe join has obviously been disturbed and 1 is weeping slightly when I drain the sink. As it's not under any real pressure I decided to use plumber's mait, squashing a sausage around the elbow unions that are weeping. As these elbows have a lip I've used is that to seat the plumber's mait. Hopefully this will be sufficient but I'm wondering if this is a bodge too far and if I should in fact strip the old pipe out and create a new run of waste pipe or dismantle & reseal (how did this stuff seal up normally/is it obsolete?). The existing run has 2 elbows and 2 straight links connecting to the wall/outside drain pipework. It is the top elbow that is next in line from the bottle trap that is weeping at both connections. Maybe you guys have an opinion on my use of plumbers mait for this issue? What do you pros do?
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Post by arfur chrysaik on Jul 21, 2017 19:30:47 GMT
I only had one wet problem with the wash basin and that is the existing bronze coloured plastic pipe for the drain. I fitted a new bottle trap and that is watertight and has a watertight connection to the original waste pipe but where there are elbows, the pipe join has obviously been disturbed and 1 is weeping slightly when I drain the sink. As it's not under any real pressure I decided to use plumber's mait, squashing a sausage around the elbow unions that are weeping. As these elbows have a lip I've used is that to seat the plumber's mait. Hopefully this will be sufficient but I'm wondering if this is a bodge too far and if I should in fact strip the old pipe out and create a new run of waste pipe or dismantle & reseal (how did this stuff seal up normally/is it obsolete?). The existing run has 2 elbows and 2 straight links connecting to the wall/outside drain pipework. It is the top elbow that is next in line from the bottle trap that is weeping at both connections. Maybe you guys have an opinion on my use of plumbers mait for this issue? What do you pros do? That's old Osma Coppertone fittings that are sealed with "O"rings, twist the bend off,clean the "O"ring, make sure the pipe's chamfered, a smear of silicone grease the push back together, try that first.
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Post by tomplum on Jul 22, 2017 8:40:05 GMT
basin wastes are always troublesome, always buy Mc Calpine traps, they are quality and seal good, As Arfur says with the coppertone fittings, if that fails get some new pipe and fittings, they are all the same size and cheap, any compound/silicone on a waste is a bodge and won't last long,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 15:28:46 GMT
Thanks for that advice. Bacon saved! I dismantled, cleaned and rejoined the pipes using silicon. The pipe seals seem to me to be a nylon material attached to the ends of the pipe with teeth through the pipe wall. The pipe ends are chamfered. It now appears watertight. Hmmmm.....I have just realised what I've done is used silicon sealant - the stuff which I used to seal up the connections on the WC cistern base (bolt heads etc), and not grease (which I don't have). Is this a major problem? I can see that future dismantling maybe a problem now. Thinking of worst case, will it eat this type of pipe/seals? I can see the number of joins involved in the waste connection and trap can be a problem where one joint tightened loosens another. The trap I bought was made by Viva, it seems to fit together well and the seals are not rock hard. Time will tell. I must try not to hijack my own thread, but I am now considering installing a P or L shaped bath and shower. Looks like the warning is right - PLUMBING IS ADDICTIVE -
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