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Post by crowsfoot on Mar 14, 2018 7:49:50 GMT
Interesting thread on the screwfix forum about gas-safe engineers not being able/willing to joint lead to copper these days. As far as I know it can still be flange jointed (as it always could be). Back in the day we plumbers would regard a gas fitter as being a semi skilled operative because they never had to wipe a full lead/copper joint and you where only ever dealing with one pipe; whereas plumbers had to deal with gas, water, air, steam pipes as well. I still find it odd how what was a small section under a plumbers remit back then as been allowed to become what it is today and overtake plumbers on the wage ladder. Anyone else remember that often referred to "wage ladder" that was always on the news back in the 70s? A customer back then once asked my boss plumber where are plumbers on the wage ladder? He replied "well we're not exactly on it, but if you look closely you'll see a rope dangling from the bottom run follow it down and right at the bottom you will find the plumber  ! |
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Post by tomplum on Mar 14, 2018 9:04:12 GMT
the gas head is trained to make mountains of of molehills, The plumber goes in and fixes a problem,Its another 'made up' trade that once the plumber did without missing a beat like all the other things we did, glazing,tiling,drains,lead,heating, gutters,soils and srewthreading, the plumber is KING,  |
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Post by glowbug on Mar 14, 2018 14:22:10 GMT
I hear you both loud n clear, and I get it. I am a gas engineer, and there are some slimy ,horrible creatures in this sector, bigheaded, pond life for surešI wouldnt want to be in the trenches with 85% of gas sector people.ā ļø
But would add, gas installers make more than breakdown engineers, that deffo dont make sense!! Also the amount of legal timewasting paperwork involved means plumbers dont know how easy they got it aswell.I bet you have a hammock in the back of your vans?šš
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Post by tomplum on Mar 14, 2018 15:36:39 GMT
everyone see's their job as more important than others, That's true all across the board, this forum is a grown up place where you are allowed to brag about it, put others down and feel important, the forum is called the brew cabin because in the brew cabin its what you do, Its all taken as being the criac, We don't see the gas heads problems, they don't see ours, In a fair world we should all get together, the plumber,heating engineer,gas engineer,tilers,lead workers,drain workers,claziers and beat fuck out of those lazy basterd electriains what think their job is a trade,,, |
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Post by glowbug on Mar 14, 2018 18:05:37 GMT
I think you should rename the forumāTHE LOVE BOATāš¤£
And make sure all superior gas engineers get first class berthsš
Electricians second class, tilers middle deck, brickies and spreaders lower decks, site lanourers in crew quarters, wood butchers can be the stokers, plumbers would be refused gangway entry, too smellyš±
Of course exception to the rule , tomplum would be skipperš
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Post by battle1066 on Mar 14, 2018 18:13:53 GMT
I've meet a few different boiler engineers and they've admit there job is made easy by having the ability to do fault finding by subitution so may be we could all be clever if we had a van full of spares?
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Post by glowbug on Mar 14, 2018 18:22:38 GMT
Yes but easier than hanging a white box on a wall and piping it up nah!! Not having that, ive done installs, and done breakdowns and its bloody hard work ,
1 you have to walk to the van
2 you have to find pcb
3 walk all the way back to boiler( carrying pcb bear in mind)
4 fit pcb
5 walk all the way back to can to drive home, its hard labouršŖšš battle breakdowns
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Post by crowsfoot on Mar 14, 2018 19:27:19 GMT
I know that we're all having a bit of banter here.
However, I am genuinely quite happy with we're I currently sit in the plumbing world.
Installs would simply kill me off! I couldn't last the pace these days plus the continuous repetition of installs would do my head in.
Whilst gas boilers have moved on totally changing their design over the last twenty years and there's not so many of the old traditional burner type that I cut my teeth on left these days, so boiler engineers are quite welcome to them .
I will say that it all happened at much quicker pace than I ever though it would though (which possibly is the result of all those boiler scrap age schemes ten years ago).
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Post by battle1066 on Mar 14, 2018 19:36:56 GMT
I know that we're all having a bit of banter here. However, I am genuinely quite happy with we're I currently sit in the plumbing world. Installs would simply kill me off! I couldn't last the pace these days plus the continuous repetition of installs would do my head in. Whilst gas boilers have moved on totally changing their design over the last twenty years and there's not so many of the old traditional burner type that I cut my teeth on left these days, so boiler engineers are quite welcome to them . I will say that it all happened at much quicker pace than I ever though it would though (which possibly is the result of all those boiler scrap age schemes ten years ago). I think every industry has had a major overhaul in the last twenty years all tied back to the introduce of Windows 98 - that's when I seen a common thread. |
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Post by tomplum on Mar 14, 2018 19:46:06 GMT
I agree with Tappy entilely, all that push push push on installs, Ok when you're young and eager for money, Boilers have gone too tech and too many variants, Its a specialist job now, i'm happy pottering about doing jobs that high earners do not want, and even that is getting to a ' can't be arsed today' level, A well known fact,,, no one remembers the last time they picked their child up, I'm coming to the day when I do my last paid job, I don't know what day it will beb but its coming real soon, |
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Post by crowsfoot on Mar 14, 2018 20:00:50 GMT
You must make a video of that one when the time comes tom.
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Post by dickpuller on Mar 14, 2018 20:21:49 GMT
Funny talking about trades & there importance, I still do a lot on new builds, I know, itās hard work for an old duffer like me, but I enjoy it & itās stress free.
Anyway, passing a plot today a Brickie & a Site Manager were having a ādiscussionā about bits of the Brickieās work.
Brickie āIf you make me pull that bit of wall down, Iām packing my tools & walking off siteā.
SM āOh for fuck sake donāt do thatā!!
Brickies are as rare as rocking horse shit & are the highest paid tradesmen on site.
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Post by battle1066 on Mar 14, 2018 20:34:32 GMT
Funny talking about trades & there importance, I still do a lot on new builds, I know, itās hard work for an old duffer like me, but I enjoy it & itās stress free. Anyway, passing a plot today a Brickie & a Site Manager were having a ādiscussionā about bits of the Brickieās work. Brickie āIf you make me pull that bit of wall down, Iām packing my tools & walking off siteā. SM āOh for fuck sake donāt do thatā!! Brickies are as rare as rocking horse shit & are the highest paid tradesmen on site. On a job in London they were demanding one pound for one brick layed and because of the amount of work in the capital, they managed to secure their demands! |
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Post by glowbug on Mar 14, 2018 20:55:01 GMT
Good news surely is, anyone who works with hands and gets dirty will be charging more than lawyers soon. All school leavers now dont wanna know āworkā. I reckon a handyman can make a fortune today in domestic properties.
I drove past a site recently, and saw a sign on main roadābrickies neededā I remmber thinking if I was a brickie its name your price and come on down! DPs site story confirms my thoughtsš
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Post by tomplum on Mar 14, 2018 21:18:29 GMT
our ( plumbers) great years where the late eighties early nineties Plumbers were rare as hens teeth, we got what we demanded, full order books with people waiting, then the Sun did an article " plumbers earning Ā£70K, lawyers and solicitors changing careers to plumbers" and soon every man and his dog wanted to be a plumber, they opened centre's to train plumbers in 6 weeks and soon the country had thousands of
cc's and ccc's running around masquerading as plumbers, I've leave the Emanate Dick Puller to explain cc's and ccc's,
we believe it was a government ploy to attract the yoof to go plumbing and it worked,
So perhaps soon will see the story of how much the brickie earns in the Sun newspaper,
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