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Post by rocketmanbkk on Sept 11, 2018 11:53:52 GMT
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Ffs
Sept 11, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
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Post by endfeed on Sept 11, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
Oooooo dear, what's gone off there mate😐
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Sept 11, 2018 15:56:22 GMT
Nightmare day Went to put a new Dudley niagra flush valve in, bolts seized, rusty as feck, took ages to cut them off, all ok, valve in, out new fluid master fill valve in while I’m at it. Get it back together, no leaks, tested & im packing up & then pop! Bathroom flooding, quickly get a bucket & stick a screwdriver to keep the fill valve up. Jump in loft & turn off gate valve (it was tank fed). Couldn’t just buy the cistern so I stuck a Wickes special in with new pan connector. Lucky I was still there as old lady would’ve been in deep shite. Saved the day!! At least I know I can fit a toilet. It had an old, are they clay spigot things? Any tips on them?   |
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Post by tomplum on Sept 11, 2018 21:02:37 GMT
shit happens Rocky, well done for sorting it, you can get pan connectors for every situation today, when i was a lad we had to cement them in and tell the custerd not to rock the bog, shit in a bucket then pour it in the toilet then flush it for a couple of days till the cement hardened, Because very often we'd get a call back, the toilets leaking, they'd never admit to disturbing the seal but 99.9% thats what they did,
smiley-face-shaking-fist
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Post by crowsfoot on Sept 12, 2018 6:09:28 GMT
In the old days it was considered a deadly sin if you broke the clay earthernware collar.
I reckon that's why the apprentice always got the job of trying to get the old WC out of the brittle drain collar.
"He's broke the collar"!! says plumber
"He's what?" says gaffer
"He's broke the collar"!!
Apprentice just stood there thinking he's going to get the sack for sure.
The WC probably had a airline crack in it before you started rocky.
I've got a similar tale to tell involving a cheap wicks bath that one of the younger plumbers told me a few weeks ago.
Tappy,
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Sept 12, 2018 7:46:05 GMT
Post by tomplum on Sept 12, 2018 7:46:05 GMT
I've known a cistern to crack on its own, A customer of mine phone to say water id coming through cieling, He was a disabled chap and not been upstairs for years, his carer turned off the water and called me, when I got the the toilet cistern was like yours rocky, just split for no apparent reason ,
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Sept 12, 2018 13:25:16 GMT
Post by woodbine66 on Sept 12, 2018 13:25:16 GMT
Went to one with a cistern that was leaking from the bottom of fill valve. Tried tightening, took it out and put LSX on rubber bung - still seeping. Scratching my head, I inspected cistern to find a barely visible hairline crack leading from the hole where fill valve thread passes through. That's probably how Rocky's started. Then the cistern got removed, things removed and put back in, bolts tightened. Being disturbed probably made the crack grow - then time to bale out.
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Sept 12, 2018 13:26:04 GMT
Yeah, if I’d cracked it I’d have told her. I put a new one in for cost plus a little bit, all good experience & I did a couple of other bits yesterday for her so it was a good days money really.
The clay connections look crap these days.
How about cutting it out so you e just got a flat ended clay pipe? Or is that asking for trouble?
It’s all learning. No problems for me.
I’ve been looking at gas courses again this week. No problems doing the course it’s the blooming practical portfolio experience that’s hit & miss. It’s a lot of money down the pan if I can’t do it. Some courses offer the practical stuff but they want another £2k to do it. It makes it a lot of money.
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Post by woodbine66 on Sept 12, 2018 13:54:27 GMT
The clay connections look crap these days. How about cutting it out so you e just got a flat ended clay pipe? Or is that asking for trouble? If you mean the cement haunching around the flange in floor that seals the toilet spigot, Toms's done a video of how to chip it out without damage. Had a quick look, but can't find video. Maybe Tom can locate it. |
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Sept 12, 2018 14:08:18 GMT
Post by woodbine66 on Sept 12, 2018 14:08:18 GMT
Found it! It's stars Crowsfoot AKA Tappy.
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Sept 12, 2018 14:15:06 GMT
The clay connections look crap these days. How about cutting it out so you e just got a flat ended clay pipe? Or is that asking for trouble? If you mean the cement haunching around the flange in floor that seals the toilet spigot, Toms's done a video of how to chip it out without damage. Had a quick look, but can't find video. Maybe Tom can locate it. Thx Just watched it Cheers |
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Sept 12, 2018 14:19:54 GMT
Found it! It's stars Crowsfoot AKA Tappy.
The collar that’s been tapped off, my one yesterday had the collar on & I just pushed the rubber part of the pan connector inside, as was the old one I pulled out, What the reason for chipping the collar off? |
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Post by crowsfoot on Sept 12, 2018 18:58:30 GMT
That's the first thing that I ever filmed on my not so expensive Chinese made go pro!
Not damaging the collar dates back to a time before multikwick's were invented and the joint and WC pan was all cemented in.
If you just hit it any how the fragile collar would instantly break off every time.
The video is how to get the old cement out of the collar without breaking it so you could then cement in the new WC to the existing collar (saving the cost of a multikwick) should you ever wish to do so.
It's an old trick of the trade, I would say.
Other reason's?
Could make for a more tidy job?
Or to save making good around a larger circular hole the floor (if it's on a wooden floor that's been cut around the collar).
As your collar was intact Rocky I'd say someone at sometime had gone to the extra trouble of getting the old one out intact for some reason.
I suppose the how to do this collar thing will become a forgotten a thing in the near future.
N.B.
Before drain connectors and mulitkwicks there was a clay eatherware double (female) collar which was for a repair if the collar broke.
To fit it you had to chop up the floor around the broken collar to a depth of say 6" and 3"" wide (a lot of extra work) so you could cement a new collar onto the drain.
That's perhaps why I got such a bad reaction all those years ago from them old un's when I broke the collar!!
They were a very different generation to what the older plumbers are now - they were proper old buggers you might say!!
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