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Post by DIYDafty on Feb 14, 2019 19:58:30 GMT
I do see your point Dick. Telling folk over the internet (and not just me since anyone can read it) you might end up giving some advice and some plonker goes and blows his house up. Its not gonna stop me trying to get those prized secrets though  |
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Post by tomplum on Feb 14, 2019 22:23:07 GMT
you have to be very clever to blow a house up, there is a very definite mixture of gas and oxygen to get an explosion, Explosions are rare, More common deaths are caused by carbon monoxide poisoning, And this is what ' the rule makers' base their scaremonger from, In the day, the most common boilers were back boilers, they took oxygen from the room you were sitting in, If the boiler was not combusting correctly the problem was 2 fold, the boiler was stealing the oxygen out of your room and pumping carbon monoxide in too, A deadly mixture, a big dose and you're dead, a smaller dose and you're sick, flu like symptoms and possible brain damage, So back boilers are no longer fitted only in certain cases, the modern boiler takes the oxygen from outside the house and pumps the waste products outside as well, So a modern boiler is much safer and does not need as much attention, But does the manufacturer tell you this ? NO because its in everyone in the gas industrys interest to service a boiler every 12 months, BG make ££££££££££££££££££££'s from it,  |
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Post by glowbug on Feb 14, 2019 23:01:21 GMT
you have to be very clever to blow a house up, there is a very definite mixture of gas and oxygen to get an explosion, Explosions are rare, More common deaths are caused by carbon monoxide poisoning, And this is what ' the rule makers' base their scaremonger from, In the day, the most common boilers were back boilers, they took oxygen from the room you were sitting in, If the boiler was not combusting correctly the problem was 2 fold, the boiler was stealing the oxygen out of your room and pumping carbon monoxide in too, A deadly mixture, a big dose and you're dead, a smaller dose and you're sick, flu like symptoms and possible brain damage, So back boilers are no longer fitted only in certain cases, the modern boiler takes the oxygen from outside the house and pumps the waste products outside as well, So a modern boiler is much safer and does not need as much attention, But does the manufacturer tell you this ? NO because its in everyone in the gas industrys interest to service a boiler every 12 months, BG make ££££££££££££££££££££'s from it, You cannot beat experience Tom👍Well said,I do have 2 contradictions though😇whats wrong with making a wage ( and keeping people safe 👻) I went to my neighbours boiler once that wasnt working , it was a balanced flu, apparantly hed had a cousin service it the the year before, must have altered the gas burner pressure, boiler was coked up like coalmine, that was roomsealed flu , admittedly the only one ive come across mind. Also found 4 high efficency boilers CO through the roof. And only last saturday I found this, (pic to follow.) Second point is ,when i was a YTS fitting back boilers , and I remember the plumber swinging a huge wrecking bar back n forth. Caught the lady homeowner who was walking past to front door BANG ! On her head👳♂️So i put it to you, the plumber who taught me plumbing was more dangerous than a backboiler😂😂!! |
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Post by glowbug on Feb 14, 2019 23:02:32 GMT
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Post by glowbug on Feb 14, 2019 23:03:00 GMT
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Post by tomplum on Feb 15, 2019 19:53:28 GMT
yep, I've seen an ivy block a flue before too and the customer was very displeased when I cut it away, he said, " you've probably killed it now " and would accept the fact that it was the reason for the boiler going out, " Its always been there" he argued and reported me to gassafe, Gassafe never confirmed to the customer that it was needed, they said, Its not our job to review any of the good things you do, Its our job to report any bad jobs you do, TWATS,
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Post by dickpuller on Feb 16, 2019 8:22:19 GMT
Natural gas operates in the home at fairly low pressures, so the hard of thinking may not look too closely for leaks or test it at all!!!
In the course of my work, and gas pipework testing other people’s work is something I do regularly, leaks can occur on the strangest fittings & the most unexpected places. I’ve known many guys, Professional, time-served, experienced guys, amazed & totally confused that I found a gas leak on their text book installation. Life is simple, we all get leaks, nobody is perfect.....so everything needs to be checked.
However, one thing is certain in this uncertain world; these experienced guys are 1000 times safer than a DaftyDIYer
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Post by glowbug on Feb 16, 2019 9:59:35 GMT
Natural gas operates in the home at fairly low pressures, so the hard of thinking may not look too closely for leaks or test it at all!!! In the course of my work, and gas pipework testing other people’s work is something I do regularly, leaks can occur on the strangest fittings & the most unexpected places. I’ve known many guys, Professional, time-served, experienced guys, amazed & totally confused that I found a gas leak on their text book installation. Life is simple, we all get leaks, nobody is perfect.....so everything needs to be checked. However, one thing is certain in this uncertain world; these experienced guys are 1000 times safer than a DaftyDIYer Cxi sit gasvalves are notorious for passing👀no spell error, sit not shit👻 |
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Post by dickpuller on Feb 16, 2019 12:48:25 GMT
Natural gas operates in the home at fairly low pressures, so the hard of thinking may not look too closely for leaks or test it at all!!! In the course of my work, and gas pipework testing other people’s work is something I do regularly, leaks can occur on the strangest fittings & the most unexpected places. I’ve known many guys, Professional, time-served, experienced guys, amazed & totally confused that I found a gas leak on their text book installation. Life is simple, we all get leaks, nobody is perfect.....so everything needs to be checked. However, one thing is certain in this uncertain world; these experienced guys are 1000 times safer than a DaftyDIYer Cxi sit gasvalves are notorious for passing👀no spell error, sit not shit👻 Some of these German shitboxes from Whoofter Botch have fucking plastic gas pipes in um FFS!! |
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Post by DIYDafty on Feb 16, 2019 19:40:29 GMT
Natural gas operates in the home at fairly low pressures, so the hard of thinking may not look too closely for leaks or test it at all!!! In the course of my work, and gas pipework testing other people’s work is something I do regularly, leaks can occur on the strangest fittings & the most unexpected places. I’ve known many guys, Professional, time-served, experienced guys, amazed & totally confused that I found a gas leak on their text book installation. Life is simple, we all get leaks, nobody is perfect.....so everything needs to be checked. However, one thing is certain in this uncertain world; these experienced guys are 1000 times safer than a DaftyDIYer Can't understand how they could not know if they have a leak if they've done the procedure outlined in one of Tom's videos. Also, a live mains could kill you in an in instant but electricians are still happy to answer questions about it. |
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Post by cylinderfella on Feb 16, 2019 20:52:24 GMT
Natural gas operates in the home at fairly low pressures, so the hard of thinking may not look too closely for leaks or test it at all!!! In the course of my work, and gas pipework testing other people’s work is something I do regularly, leaks can occur on the strangest fittings & the most unexpected places. I’ve known many guys, Professional, time-served, experienced guys, amazed & totally confused that I found a gas leak on their text book installation. Life is simple, we all get leaks, nobody is perfect.....so everything needs to be checked. However, one thing is certain in this uncertain world; these experienced guys are 1000 times safer than a DaftyDIYer Would those leaks be very tiny or would they be really dangerous? I presume there's no such thing as a leak so small that it doesn't matter. Do you find these problems before connection to mains? Just interested as I thought any gas leak was lethal. |
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Post by tomplum on Feb 16, 2019 21:57:08 GMT
again its all about the mix of air and gas, Say for instance an open pipe spilling out a gushing amount of gas in a room, thats dangerous on 2 counts,
1. if it gets ignition it will light the gas and become a flame thrower which will torch the building,
2. if it builds up in the room and gets to the right percentage of gas and air, and then gets ignition, it will explode and demolish the house, the nierbours house and blow the roofs and windows out of many homes in the street,
a little leak will dispense in the atmosphere and the house/home owner will not notice, because we get accustomed to our own environment, We do not smell our own problems, but others do, so a small gas leak, you might not smell it, but a friend/ visitor will,
that's why checks are necessary,
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Post by cylinderfella on Feb 16, 2019 22:00:20 GMT
That explains it great!  |
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Post by glowbug on Feb 16, 2019 22:56:34 GMT
again its all about the mix of air and gas, Say for instance an open pipe spilling out a gushing amount of gas in a room, thats dangerous on 2 counts, 1. if it gets ignition it will light the gas and become a flame thrower which will torch the building, 2. if it builds up in the room and gets to the right percentage of gas and air, and then gets ignition, it will explode and demolish the house, the nierbours house and blow the roofs and windows out of many homes in the street, a little leak will dispense in the atmosphere and the house/home owner will not notice, because we get accustomed to our own environment, We do not smell our own problems, but others do, so a small gas leak, you might not smell it, but a friend/ visitor will, that's why checks are necessary, |
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Post by bearwoodbrown on Feb 17, 2019 0:39:05 GMT
you have to be very clever to blow a house up. Hi there Bearwood here,,, master craftsman, woodsman and general handyman. I'd disagree Tom, ya don't just have to be clever to blow a house up. |
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