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Post by hmv4u on May 21, 2019 16:30:42 GMT
I'm a little disappointed with my gravity fed hot water pressure upstairs and last night on youtube i saw a old video by dereton33 where he T'd the hot water feed to his bathtaps into the shower pump hot water outlet (blocking the original off)and this created a boost to the pressure without the need for an additional pump,he answered a query about this being detrimental to the cold side of the shower pump as it being fine.I just wondered what your views on this method are because it appeals to me ?
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Post by crowsfoot on May 21, 2019 21:15:34 GMT
It's not a thing a professional plumber would ever do, however, as an experiment in his own house he might give it a go! A lot of plumbers like to experiment with plumbing in their own house  ! |
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Post by cylinderfella on May 21, 2019 21:31:38 GMT
Yes I agree with Crowsfoot. Saw the video. Dereton doesn't use a flange of any type in his setup either which might shorten the life of a pump if it sucks in air. It'll work though! But for how long.....
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Post by DIYDafty on May 21, 2019 22:08:53 GMT
I know most/all shower pumps (at least with vented) are installed with a flange but when I recently came to install my Mira shower the instructions showed an arrangement whereby the HW comes out the top of the tank at a 45 degree angle to vertical. Then the feed to the shower pump is taken from that at 90 degrees heading downward.
I guess its not generally popular as it uses a lot of space in the airing cupboard. What I can say though is not only does it work, it seems to work even better than the flange that we have going to another shower pump.
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Post by tomplum on May 22, 2019 7:42:06 GMT
I agree with what the others say, Do it and see how it goes but, in the long term if you intend to stay, plan for upgrading to either a combi or unvented system,  |
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Post by hmv4u on May 22, 2019 22:48:10 GMT
I take on board all advice - its funny to see the comment about plumbers experimenting on their own plumbing as its exactly what trades people do,unfortunately the net seems to be full of internet police and holier than tho types which is why i like this forum ,I started my working life as an electrician and I'm damned if I'm going to pay someone to do something I can do myself but I have even seen forums where painters and decorators lambast people for DIYing rather than employing a professional !
Anyway it seems the option of the shower pump is a bit controversial so perhaps an individual booster pump is better or a complete system change as Tom suggests,the bathroom has only been refurbed as a selling point as we use the en-suite anyway ,I was surprised by DIYDAFTYs point on the taking straight off the hot water outlet albeit at 45% and then 90% downbank but if it works it works
thanks for the reply's
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Post by tomplum on May 23, 2019 8:00:42 GMT
you're Welcome HMV4U, this world has gone 'money making' mad, certificates costs £££££££££SSS so the trades are forced to up the price and frighten the DIYer with scaremongery , Yet B+Q,screwfix,toolstation, Wickes and independant handymans stores will sell you a boiler,gas fire, cables, lights etc etc, So the public are getting mixed messages from this, are rule is simple, rules are for fools plumberboy, |
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Post by DIYDafty on May 23, 2019 15:18:58 GMT
,I was surprised by DIYDAFTYs point on the taking straight off the hot water outlet albeit at 45% and then 90% downbank but if it works it works thanks for the reply's Hi First just to say totally agree with your comments about this forum. Its much more relaxed and generally helpful that some others. There are loads of decent plumbers and engineers on here willing to help. Even the "taboo" subject of gas isn't taboo on here as long as you're obviously not asking something really stupid. On the air separator I mentioned I feel compelled to upload the part of the manual that recommends it. I'd forgotten its 30 degree not 45 so a little more room in the cupboard. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 18:53:26 GMT
I'm a little disappointed with my gravity fed hot water pressure upstairs and last night on youtube i saw a old video by dereton33 where he T'd the hot water feed to his bathtaps into the shower pump hot water outlet (blocking the original off)and this created a boost to the pressure without the need for an additional pump,he answered a query about this being detrimental to the cold side of the shower pump as it being fine.I just wondered what your views on this method are because it appeals to me ? Put in a mini inline booster pump on the hot supply feeding the upstairs, they work well-are easy to fit and are cheap. |
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Post by DIYDafty on May 23, 2019 19:03:37 GMT
you're Welcome HMV4U, this world has gone 'money making' mad, certificates costs £££££££££SSS so the trades are forced to up the price and frighten the DIYer with scaremongery , Yet B+Q,screwfix,toolstation, Wickes and independant handymans stores will sell you a boiler,gas fire, cables, lights etc etc, So the public are getting mixed messages from this, are rule is simple, rules are for fools plumberboy, And don't forget if you really want to you can fit your own brake pads, brake fluid, tyres, wheels etc etc without first paying 3 grand for a mechanics course. While I'm on the subject of car safety, the last time my wife's wheels got changed the professional c**t that fitted the wheels didn't tighten up the nuts !!!! One thing us DIYers have over the pros is that we care more about the work because its our stuff that is being worked on. We get a bad press partly because before the internet a lot of people just had no idea what to do and ended up doing lots of stupid things. |
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Post by hmv4u on May 23, 2019 22:54:44 GMT
I'm a little disappointed with my gravity fed hot water pressure upstairs and last night on youtube i saw a old video by dereton33 where he T'd the hot water feed to his bathtaps into the shower pump hot water outlet (blocking the original off)and this created a boost to the pressure without the need for an additional pump,he answered a query about this being detrimental to the cold side of the shower pump as it being fine.I just wondered what your views on this method are because it appeals to me ? Put in a mini inline booster pump on the hot supply feeding the upstairs, they work well-are easy to fit and are cheap.  I think your right,have tried to balance the hot and cold by turning the isolater valve on the mains cold down (virtually off)but opening the cold tap the slightest bit just over whelms the hot in the shower head-had a look at your old thread about them unfortunately the one you recommend is £251 on Amazon but there are cheaper ones and literally dozens on ebay from the Czech Repub and hong kong if you have a recommendation ? |
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Post by hmv4u on May 23, 2019 23:07:28 GMT
you're Welcome HMV4U, this world has gone 'money making' mad, certificates costs £££££££££SSS so the trades are forced to up the price and frighten the DIYer with scaremongery , Yet B+Q,screwfix,toolstation, Wickes and independant handymans stores will sell you a boiler,gas fire, cables, lights etc etc, So the public are getting mixed messages from this, are rule is simple, rules are for fools plumberboy, And don't forget if you really want to you can fit your own brake pads, brake fluid, tyres, wheels etc etc without first paying 3 grand for a mechanics course. While I'm on the subject of car safety, the last time my wife's wheels got changed the professional c**t that fitted the wheels didn't tighten up the nuts !!!! One thing us DIYers have over the pros is that we care more about the work because its our stuff that is being worked on. We get a bad press partly because before the internet a lot of people just had no idea what to do and ended up doing lots of stupid things. I was talking to a guy at work(not a boss just your average worker) and mentioned I was redoing the bathroom and he's waiting to have his done,Im not sure how big it is or what he's having done but its costing him £10,200-I know the radiator alone is £600 - I have worked out (so far) I have spent £900 but it has taken me 5 months of dribs and drabs where his is taking 2 weeks. |
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Post by crowsfoot on May 24, 2019 6:06:57 GMT
you're Welcome HMV4U, this world has gone 'money making' mad, certificates costs £££££££££SSS so the trades are forced to up the price and frighten the DIYer with scaremongery , Yet B+Q,screwfix,toolstation, Wickes and independant handymans stores will sell you a boiler,gas fire, cables, lights etc etc, So the public are getting mixed messages from this, are rule is simple, rules are for fools plumberboy, According to a tutor on a recent course that I did something's in the wind at a high level about this because it's now being recognised that paying out a large amount of cash to be told the answers in advanced of an exam then getting a badge with your picture on it does NOT prove you are competent. There's even a abbreviation for this new way of thinking. I'm awaiting the outcome of all this with baited breath. |
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