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Post by hmv4u on Jan 12, 2020 18:34:18 GMT
so the story is(sorry this will be rambling) my sister has an oldish house on a hill, its 2 storey's from the front with 3 storey's on the rear,the bottom storey is a basement with inner and outer rooms.Their free standing gas boiler is in a small inner basement room with flue going up a internal brick chimney, a hot water tank on the second floor and water tanks in the loft.They are aware that a couple of plumbers have been out in the past and have either raised concerns or refused to work on the boiler due to lack of ventilation from outside-my sister being my sister and hating any type of upset decided to ignore this until a few weeks before xmas the boiler broke down,they called their plumber who promptly (and rightly) refused to work on it-so they contacted a friend who whole heartily recommended a plumber with glowing references-they never used anyone else etc etc.This guy came out and again raised concerns about the boiler but attempted to repair it on the promise that it would be changed as soon as possible(my sister for all her faults would follow this thro) anyway he fitted a gas valve,then something else and something else and eventually got the boiler to fire up but apparently smoke started coming from the internal chimney and the system was shut down again. At this point being without heating for a week plus, they became a plumbers wet dream,just get on with it - no estimate(despite my telling them to get a few ),no contract-just get it replaced ..so the guy orders a unvented hot water tank which goes in the place of the boiler,a boiler for the outside room and rips out the existing boiler,hot water tank,cold water tanks in the loft,the electrics etc etc.He was there for 4+ days and had his son helping(also a plumber)on the odd day or two and they now have a working system.I am not knocking the guys work or commitment and there should be some Attachment Deletedphotos of the installation and there is loads of pipework and valves Attachment Deleted,what I am asking for is your thoughts and a general price for all this lot |
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Post by hmv4u on Jan 12, 2020 18:38:38 GMT
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jan 12, 2020 18:49:38 GMT
£5k+ ish
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Post by battle1066 on Jan 12, 2020 19:13:58 GMT
Type of plumbing business small or large firm complete with other factors such as - Site Location, parking, time of year( easier ways to make money in winter compared to summer eg faults) and location of closest suppliers and product specification (40KWbolier etc) play a major part in my logic to costing so assuming there good to great I won't put a penalty fee against the job a just compete against a small plumbing firm.
I expect your sister got a bill close to 8.5K for what I see at 6.5K
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Post by tomplum on Jan 12, 2020 19:20:44 GMT
from the photos its a good job, and yes you'd be looking at no less than £4k plus whatever he's bought and time to the repair attempt.
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Post by hmv4u on Jan 12, 2020 19:58:14 GMT
thanks for the reply's- here's another couple of photos,and not being a plumber I'm assuming the black encased object is a manifold ? the floor thing appears to be a condense tank which is pumped into a sewer pipe via the clear tube - I'll confirm the final price tomorrow if anyone else wants a guess Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jan 12, 2020 20:03:07 GMT
How much was charged then?
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Post by battle1066 on Jan 12, 2020 20:08:36 GMT
He's going to post the price tomorrow Rocky.
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Post by DIYDafty on Jan 12, 2020 20:33:10 GMT
I'm no plumber as most know but I'd still like to guess !
So basically a boiler and unvented plus cw tank. It feels to me north of £5K. Could you post up which boiler and which unvented it was? The price of the kit might affect the quote quite a bit. RIght now I'm gonna say £7K.
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Post by tomplum on Jan 12, 2020 22:10:47 GMT
as you say Dafty, the quality of products, the amount of work/materials and how much work he did on the initial repair attempt will make massive variations, I'm thinking
boiler £700
cylinder £900
pipework £500
Labour £2000
then there is the unknowns,,,,
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Post by hmv4u on Jan 13, 2020 21:35:58 GMT
all good guess's  the final cost was £6500 , purely for my own curiosity I wanted to see if this was excessive given the 'just get on with it' thanks again for the input |
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Jan 14, 2020 6:52:33 GMT
all good guess's the final cost was £6500 , purely for my own curiosity I wanted to see if this was excessive given the 'just get on with it' thanks again for the input He’s probably made a good profit out of it but it looks good & he’s done it at short notice because it needed doing. The cost would’ve probably been less had you shopped around for a few quotes. |
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Post by dickpuller on Jan 15, 2020 8:13:39 GMT
Frankly I’m amazed at some of the replies on this thread!! The install is as rough as fuck, but the cost is reflected in equipment etc used. But why fit a Low Loss Header?? Is it a huge fucking house with multiple rooms & zones??!!! Just why??
Granted it maybe a big family home, you don’t say. While a large Combi may not be the correct choice. But the additional work he’s given himself is crazy!!
Would a 40KW Combi have done the job? We use less & less hot water in our homes now.
Wee things on the install like; Gate Valves, who the fuck fits them on CH systems in 2020. Then there’s the layouts at the boiler & cylinder, where, it looks like there’s tons of room?! But he’s got everything crammed in, pipes crossing each other & a half arsed attempt to insulate the pipework, FFS that’s a mess!! Now we all have our own ways of doing things & I’m not saying the guy doesn’t know what he’s doing, but it’s a common problem with one-man-bands; “I’ve done it this way for 30 years, so it must be right”!!!
No, it’s not right, you’re using the wrong material for the installation & you are suffering from OMB blindness.
All the above views are given with the limited information given(I’ve got t say that for legal reason).
P.S. The D2 from the Unvented cylinder is wrong too.
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Post by battle1066 on Jan 15, 2020 18:25:42 GMT
Frankly I’m amazed at some of the replies on this thread!! The install is as rough as fuck, but the cost is reflected in equipment etc used. But why fit a Low Loss Header?? Is it a huge fucking house with multiple rooms & zones??!!! Just why?? Granted it maybe a big family home, you don’t say. While a large Combi may not be the correct choice. But the additional work he’s given himself is crazy!! Would a 40KW Combi have done the job? We use less & less hot water in our homes now. Wee things on the install like; Gate Valves, who the fuck fits them on CH systems in 2020. Then there’s the layouts at the boiler & cylinder, where, it looks like there’s tons of room?! But he’s got everything crammed in, pipes crossing each other & a half arsed attempt to insulate the pipework, FFS that’s a mess!! Now we all have our own ways of doing things & I’m not saying the guy doesn’t know what he’s doing, but it’s a common problem with one-man-bands; “I’ve done it this way for 30 years, so it must be right”!!! No, it’s not right, you’re using the wrong material for the installation & you are suffering from OMB blindness. All the above views are given with the limited information given(I’ve got t say that for legal reason). P.S. The D2 from the Unvented cylinder is wrong too. Ah but how much are you charging for the job with the information given? |
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Post by dickpuller on Jan 16, 2020 18:20:34 GMT
As I said, the amount paid, for the equipment installed I’d say is about right. Not really my point, the system is over-engineered for the property, as I see it from the limited information.
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the final cost was £6500 , purely for my own curiosity I wanted to see if this was excessive given the 'just get on with it' 
