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Post by Penny arcade on Aug 6, 2020 9:41:13 GMT
Hello folks, issue I have is common water rail supplies 4 houses - mine is the first in the chain. There is a water leak particularly noticeable at night. Water board have been out (Severn Trent) put a new head in at the street end and have told me they can measure one litre per minute leakage. Is this anything to worry about? - they say it is very small but this leak has been going since at least February and the noise got suddenly lounder around Easter time. Pipe from the street is plastic but they come up into the houses in metal and I dug in my shed and found a 3/4 inch copper pipe so presume it is jointed somewhere between their end and my stopcock (I have two - one in the house and one in what used to be an outside loo but has now been converted into an interior shower/loo room already done when move in just over twenty years ago.) Second question, who is responsible for costs of any repairs - do the four properties normally share the cost wherever the leak might be? I am quite capable of digging out and repairing a pipe but my preferred option would be to ensure all my side is plastic until it tees off to neighbours. More questions on this should I get to this stage. Many thanks for any heads up.
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Post by tomplum on Aug 6, 2020 9:55:11 GMT
Hi Penny, I've just OK'd your membership, sorry about the delay , I had to restrict membership after a troll was causing a nuisence, anyways Welcome to the site and we'll do our best to help you,
The best way to solve your problem is have Trent water put you your own water main in, It will be plastic all the way then from the main pipe to your connection in the house,
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Post by pennyarcade on Aug 6, 2020 10:57:02 GMT
Many thanks, Tom. Options are to get Severn Trent to do it (would they likely use a mole). What might be the costs? Several hundreds and I will let them crack on, 000's and I am digging it myself. I will keep the forum updated as to eventual solution - I would like it sorted before the winter. BTW, "Penny" does not mean female - last time my missus looked she confirmed it was fully male.... Pennyarcade = misspent Saturday afternoons when a youth.
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Post by tomplum on Aug 6, 2020 17:57:34 GMT
The normal procedure is, They will fit a new supply to the border of your property, which ever is easiest for them, You'll have to check the cost, sometimes its free if its an old main and they want to take it out, from your border you will have to dig a trench ( or pay a young lad to do it), It will need to be inspected for depth, insulation and protection through the brickwork, Once its past the inspection you will have good pressure and trouble free water with no worry's about neighbours bursts, P.s I kinda guessed you are a bloke from your email address  |
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Aug 6, 2020 18:34:23 GMT
I’d say 1 litre per minute isn’t a small leak.
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Post by crowsfoot on Aug 6, 2020 18:59:05 GMT
On shared supplies all four properties are responsable for a share of the repair charge if the burst is on the main supply which is supplying all the 4 properties.
Once the main has passed the first house tee off without the leak being found then the charge is then shared between the remaining 3 properies - then shared between the last two properies if not found by the 2nd tee off once passed the last tee off without it being located it then becomes the sole responsibility of the last property on the run for the charge.
If the burst is on the supply that's been teed off going direct to the property and non others then that property is responsible for the full charge.
Phew, it's not easy is it?
I always tell people if they happen to be on a shared service then pay that insurance that the water authorities are always trying to flog us - then just let them short it out!
Tappy,
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Post by pennyarcade on Aug 6, 2020 20:13:47 GMT
Thanks for the replies: Tappy's was very useful in explaining the various responsibilities. Initially I will dig up were it tees off to the neighbour, cap it and see which side the leak is on. Their ground floor is about 2 feet lower than mine so I wonder how deep it might be. Severn Trent were very keen to tell me their responsibility stops at the boundary
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Post by pennyarcade on Sept 29, 2020 16:22:02 GMT
So, update Severn Trent sent out a letter a week ago. I did some digging and uncovered the joint where it tees - 3/4 inch copper common and 1/2 inch coming into house. Separated the neighbours' feed and capped it off (female 3/4 inch coupler to 22mm with a blanking nut on the end). turned street supply back on, ran water and flushed loos to make sure no air locks, listened carefully and NO water hissing in pipes at all. Told neighbour to do same to see if the leak is between tee at my end and tee at their end. Noise has definitely got louder to my ears but no stress anymore.  |
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Post by tomplum on Sept 29, 2020 16:25:38 GMT
thanks for the feed back Penny, I'm glad its sorted for you, |
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Post by pennyarcade on Sept 29, 2020 16:29:11 GMT
Also, I had to invest in some wrenches to undo the nut and hold the joint so as not to stress it. I purchased the Dickie Dyer 'Stilson' types from Toolstation. One aluminium 18" and one iron 14". They seem to be quite good quality.
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Post by pennyarcade on Sept 29, 2020 16:32:09 GMT
Thanks Tom for the help your forum provides. Used to watch your vids a few years ago. I think I read somewhere you had a problem and accidentally deleted a lot of them. They were very informative and interesting even though I do next to no plumbing work other than change the odd tap every few years.
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Post by tomplum on Sept 29, 2020 16:58:52 GMT
yes I did delete them all by accident, I did't notice the 'ALL' box was ticked as I was deleing one, But I slowly reposted them all and did a few more for good measure, Its good to know they've been a help to folks, |
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Post by dickpuller on Sept 30, 2020 5:43:58 GMT
Thanks Tom for the help your forum provides. Used to watch your vids a few years ago. I think I read somewhere you had a problem and accidentally deleted a lot of them. They were very informative and interesting even though I do next to no plumbing work other than change the odd tap every few years. Yeah, he had a wee accident, he farted & followed through!! Tom’s videos are great. good, honest & informative👍👍 |
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