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Post by jime17 on Oct 1, 2020 8:55:20 GMT
Hi all, I've just been watching Tom's tips on push fit pipe and seen how good the fittings are. I didn't realise.
As a DIYer I used copper and was dubious of plastic but over the last 10 years or so I've started using plastic pipe as it's so easy to use. But used brass fittings and pipe inserts.
What are your feelings on this combination?
I try to use copper olives as they seal easier but have used brass when it's all I've got.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of you experienced folk.
Cheers.
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Post by jcplumb on Oct 1, 2020 13:10:11 GMT
I'd say plastic fittings are far better on plastic pipe than compression fittings. I've undone a compression fitting from a plastic pipe before and seen the (brass) olive had cut quite deeply into the pipe, I'd also guess that brass olives are more likely to cut the pipe than copper ones.
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Post by jime17 on Oct 1, 2020 13:48:12 GMT
I see your point and it does concern me that the olive will cut the pipe and damage it. The reason iuse them is that I wonder about the rubber o rings degrading over time in the plastic fittings. I will say I use a couple of turns of PTFE on the olive. I know I know. Amateur! 😄 Thanks JCplumb.
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Post by DIYDafty on Oct 1, 2020 14:12:32 GMT
I'd like to know too. Should I stop dicking around with copper? After all these years I've _just_ started to feel more comfortable with copper and now I've got to learn something new... . Maybe on my next project I'll install some wavy plastic pipes...
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Post by battle1066 on Oct 1, 2020 16:39:38 GMT
I'd like to know too. Should I stop dicking around with copper? After all these years I've _just_ started to feel more comfortable with copper and now I've got to learn something new... . Maybe on my next project I'll install some wavy plastic pipes... When the job is for your on benefit, own your own home, everything other than copper is substandard in my opinion.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 1, 2020 18:42:50 GMT
I first used plastic in 1986, it was called acorn then and a lot of it is still in use so, It has stood the test of time, I've seen copper pin hole and plastic go brittle when it was used in plaster, So if you follow the rules, it will last, Hep20 give a 50 year warrantee but John Guest only gives 25 years, I have no fear of useing plastic, but because of my age and training I still prefer copper, copper has a nice feel and looks good and easier to get a neat job, plastic is ok when its hidden but ugly on show,
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Post by jime17 on Oct 1, 2020 18:53:23 GMT
I agree entirely with the thought that copper is the gold standard. A nice pipe run in copper is a work of art.
Out of interest Tom do you ever use brass compression joints on plastic or only the plastic push fit jobbies?
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Post by endfeed on Oct 1, 2020 19:09:58 GMT
I used to say "if you're gonna do it proper then do it in copper" then the company I now work for are against soldering and had a rep in to show us Tec tight pipe and fittings, fook me, it's so easy to use, so I've moved with the times. If it's surface mounted I use copper, the Tec tight pipe has a metal layer through it. With regards to brass olives I sling em and use copper ones,never had any problems,mate👍
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Post by dickpuller on Oct 1, 2020 19:28:12 GMT
Like Tom I’ve used plastic Push Fit since the mid 80’s & tried most manufacturers. My favourite for push fit plastic tube & fittings is Hep2o.
We Pressure Test it to 16Bar on New Builds, so it’s good. However, you can still have ‘blow-offs’ & leaks.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 1, 2020 21:19:49 GMT
I agree entirely with the thought that copper is the gold standard. A nice pipe run in copper is a work of art. Out of interest Tom do you ever use brass compression joints on plastic or only the plastic push fit jobbies? I generally use pushfit on plastic but, compression is handy at times too, I use what works for me, whats in the bag, i won't rush off to the merchants for a pushfit if a compression is at hand, they all work and have a place in our industry, In the early days when the manufactures wanted us to switch to plastic, they did courses and i attended one, they built a plasic circuit of plastic pipe with elbows, tees and couplings and pressurized it with a pump, The lecturer asked to take a guess at what pressure we would get a leak, My guess was 100 PSI, the highest guess was 500 PSI, so the lecturer took it right up to 9099 PSI and said, " we are in the danger zone now, the weak spot is a fitting, one of these fittings will crack at 1000 PSI, not a rubber but the plastic" and sure enough, thats what happened, that gave me some confidence but, It still took a long time for me to put plastic in my jobs, I think it was about 2004 when site work went plastic and I had no choice, it then became a health and safety measure about plumbers notching joists without safety nets,
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Post by jime17 on Oct 1, 2020 21:37:46 GMT
Thanks guys. It's really interesting to read this sort of stuff. Around 2003 I had a plumber in to fit a bathroom and he used plastic with push fit under the floor to extend to the new sink position. When I saw it after he'd gone I replaced it with copper as I didn't trust it. I didn't know any better.
I suppose plumbers years ago were suspicious of copper as it wasn't as good as lead ,🤣
Thanks again to everyone who's answered. It's appreciated.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 2, 2020 10:30:37 GMT
you're welcome anytime jime17 drop by anytime you're passing for, advice , have a chat, tell a joke, learn us stuff too, fishing ,gardening , bikeing, dinking beer, dogging anything goes here,
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