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Post by cylinderfella on Oct 25, 2020 23:11:10 GMT
Just a random topic. I wonder what would happen if you left them out. So I did...........in my own place as an experiment, where I could keep an eye on things, Nothing happened, no leaks, no drips......after a few years. Did it with copper and plastic pipe in a few runs. They weren't long runs though. What's everyone's thoughts on pipe clips? They do make things look better but... Completely needed or not? Any disaster stories because of clips being left out?
Cheers everyone!
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Post by crowsfoot on Oct 26, 2020 7:24:12 GMT
I'm not really a mass pipe clip fan but if I think the job needs one i'll put one on, it'd bother me if I didn't.
If someones gone daft with the clips it makes that repair job a little bit more harder.
I come often accross clips that haven't been drilled to the wall - just attached to the pipe to make it look like it's been clipped.
If a clips in the wrong position it will bother me...ie A soil pipe top section clip that's half way down the pipe.
We've all been to the hot pipe that's leaking because it's been held tight by a bent over nail.
Clipping radiator pipes (on drops) is something that's changed since I was a youngster. Back then, we would always clip(horizontal) to the skirting boards with copper saddle clips and 3/4" black jap screws, then someone in the 80s decided to clip them just above the skirting board using plastic stand off clips and it caught on. You had to fix the radiator higher to do this though.
Tappy,
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Post by DIYDafty on Oct 26, 2020 13:03:22 GMT
I don't like seeing a mass of copper pipe work just hanging there loose. I'd worry also any compression fittings (or pushfit) might damage easily? Runs of pipework all soldered under the floor might ok but if my house and I was paying someone I'd want some clipping where you can but don't go mad spending hours/days getting it perfect but the pipes don't roll around the floor every time you walk on the floor (due to vibration).
I used saddle clips for the first time on my kitchen because I wanted them clipped close to the wall and they do make it easier than the plastic standoff ones but the plastic ones do hold the pipes better.
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Post by battle1066 on Oct 26, 2020 17:23:11 GMT
It's job dependant which ultimately decides if I go daft with them but every install job has some fitted I do.
I've had locations were students have attached to the pipes hammock style and used it clothing drying and pulled the fixings out of the wall etc.
I'm like Tapoy I think about any future repairs, especially when I know the product I've been given to fit is crap.
Now I must own up I may fit the odd clip for show (no fixing in it) but it's normally because I'm not happy once I've started the fixing and say that'll do as a spacer or eye candy.
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Post by tomplum on Oct 26, 2020 20:57:26 GMT
there are regs about them and, in the industrial and commercial jobs, where there is always a clerk of works, he will want to see them, he will quote chapter and verse . the size , the material , how many and the distance between, on sitework, ( new builds) its up to the plumber, there are, pipes on view and hidden pipes, the hidden pipes get a clip to keep them from falling out of the ceiling and, the pipes on view are clipped to look good, My first experience in 1968 was, bang a nail in the joists and wrap it over the pipe, that was good enough then but, times have changed
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Post by woodbine66 on Oct 26, 2020 23:01:43 GMT
Banging a nail over pipes to secure to joists was widespread up to 60s/70s, and it was probably enough because a lot of supplies to taps, etc were gravity. Now many have converted their gravity supplies to mains pressure, those nails may not be enough. The plumbing in my house was installed in early 60s, and any pipes under floors that I've uncovered have been secured with bent nails. But there are areas of pipework under floors that will be difficult for me to get to and some of the nails in these areas have probably worked loose, because if you turn a cold tap off quickly (main pressure) you can hear a bang as a pipe hits a joist somewhere. So clipping in floor voids is important for quiet plumbing. Lashings of hair felt between pipe and joist is another bonus.
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Post by DIYDafty on Oct 27, 2020 0:11:22 GMT
Banging a nail over pipes to secure to joists was widespread up to 60s/70s, and it was probably enough because a lot of supplies to taps, etc were gravity. Now many have converted their gravity supplies to mains pressure, those nails may not be enough. The plumbing in my house was installed in early 60s, and any pipes under floors that I've uncovered have been secured with bent nails. But there are areas of pipework under floors that will be difficult for me to get to and some of the nails in these areas have probably worked loose, because if you turn a cold tap off quickly (main pressure) you can hear a bang as a pipe hits a joist somewhere. So clipping in floor voids is important for quiet plumbing. Lashings of hair felt between pipe and joist is another bonus. Sounds like my house - built in 1970 although sometimes they didn't even bother with the nail. I suppose underfloor clipped to the side of the joist is ideal? Gets tricky when going through the joists though - in my place they are always layed across notched joists at the top and in many areas touching the floorboard. The problem is though when Mrs Miggins views her new build "fabulous" house she doesn't see all the service pipes (or cables for that matter).
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Post by dickpuller on Oct 27, 2020 7:13:30 GMT
If you don’t clip pipes & tubes there’s more chance of banging & ticking with high pressure, expansion & contraction. With NHBC inspectors & general specification, minimum 600-800mm clip centres is common on new builds.
Mostly plastic so more chance of ticking going through joists etc. DPC is wrapped around pipes going through joists in Barratt Boxes.
With the introduction of nail clips, it speeded up installation times👍👍
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Post by rocketmanbkk on Oct 27, 2020 17:37:52 GMT
Pipe clips hold the unsoldered circuits in place I think, otherwise everything would move about and a nightmare would be had
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Post by cylinderfella on Oct 27, 2020 20:12:17 GMT
Great info in all the replies there guys! The brew cabin is always a brilliant source of advice. Cheers!
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Post by tomplum on Oct 27, 2020 20:44:29 GMT
you're most welcome Cinders, This is the home of ' telling it like it is' how its done in real life, The books tell another story but the book writers never have never worked on a building site,
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Post by woodbine66 on Oct 29, 2020 22:23:41 GMT
Banging a nail over pipes to secure to joists was widespread up to 60s/70s, and it was probably enough because a lot of supplies to taps, etc were gravity. Now many have converted their gravity supplies to mains pressure, those nails may not be enough. The plumbing in my house was installed in early 60s, and any pipes under floors that I've uncovered have been secured with bent nails. But there are areas of pipework under floors that will be difficult for me to get to and some of the nails in these areas have probably worked loose, because if you turn a cold tap off quickly (main pressure) you can hear a bang as a pipe hits a joist somewhere. So clipping in floor voids is important for quiet plumbing. Lashings of hair felt between pipe and joist is another bonus. Sounds like my house - built in 1970 although sometimes they didn't even bother with the nail. I suppose underfloor clipped to the side of the joist is ideal? Gets tricky when going through the joists though - in my place they are always layed across notched joists at the top and in many areas touching the floorboard. The problem is though when Mrs Miggins views her new build "fabulous" house she doesn't see all the service pipes (or cables for that matter).
Yes, could almost do it without clips in the old days with gravity. But putting mains pressure through unclipped pipes is asking for more banging than Olive's sister. Clip wherever you can and put hair felt between pipes and joists - especially hot water and ch pipes - or you get expansion noises where the expanding pipe moves against the timber. My ch used to click and bang all over the place, but now I've redone most of it, it's silent.
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Post by dickpuller on Oct 30, 2020 11:20:59 GMT
This thread reminds me of a thing called ‘workmanship’, a thing that was drummed into us as apprentices. You’re work had to be neat & tidy first. Then neat, tidy & fast!!
Apprenticeships are invaluable, a good Journeyman is a gift from the Gods. A bad one is Hell on Earth!!
I was lucky, in the 70’s there was time to teach kids, no great things were expected of you until you got into your 4 year. Incentive Bonus is more than a financial reward, it’s a life lesson. Neat, Tidy & Fast!!
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