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Post by dickpuller on Apr 4, 2023 7:14:38 GMT
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Post by joinerjohn on Apr 4, 2023 13:48:19 GMT
Love the wording that comes up “Examples of gas work that are not suitable for a DIY enthusiast”
Now if that was replaced by “ Examples of gas work that are illegal for a DIY enthusiast “ Id be more impressed. 😉😉
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Post by DIYDafty on Apr 4, 2023 15:51:36 GMT
Not watched it yet but is it better than this one ?
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 4, 2023 18:39:11 GMT
Love the wording that comes up “Examples of gas work that are not suitable for a DIY enthusiast” Now if that was replaced by “ Examples of gas work that are illegal for a DIY enthusiast “ Id be more impressed. 😉😉 The point being JJ, if you’re not ‘Competent’, Which means not trained. So you’re not competent to do Gas Work in your own Home. If you blow up your home or take the entire Street out & end up in front of the Court Beak, he asks you if you’re ‘competent’ & you say no. Then you’re someone’s Cell Bitch for some considerable time!!
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Post by DIYDafty on Apr 4, 2023 18:59:34 GMT
Love the wording that comes up “Examples of gas work that are not suitable for a DIY enthusiast” Now if that was replaced by “ Examples of gas work that are illegal for a DIY enthusiast “ Id be more impressed. 😉😉 The point being JJ, if you’re not ‘Competent’, Which means not trained. You can’t do Gas Work in your own Home.If you blow up your home or take the entire Street out & end up in front of the Court Beak, he asks you if you’re ‘competent’ & you say no. Then you’re someone’s Cell Bitch for some considerable time!! Yes you can. And tell me how am I gonna blow my house up? (Drafty garage in my case about 50M from the nearest house apart from mine). Its all based on fear and not losing work although I do accept there are some idiots and bodgers out there. Some of them are GasSafe.
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 4, 2023 20:05:37 GMT
What proves competence was a question that I was once asked on a course. "Paying out money every three years to be asked a selection of questions on a subject and getting a percentage correct to pass an assessment" came my rather smart reply. "Doesn't prove anything" came the reply. "It depends on a persons SEKTUA". S being Skills (not really a test of skills is it?) E being Experience (you can only gain this over time) K being knowledge (we are all learning all the time) T being Training (are there any checks on these assessments if the candidate has had the correct training) U ?? I don't remember this one A being Having a good attitude (take it from me many many gas-safe registers have a bad one) My conclusion to all this was a gas-safe assessment pass gives you the legal right to do certain aspects of gas fitting in the UK but it does not really prove competence. NB On my last ever gas assessment another assessor came into our room looking very dejected saying that "he's got more wrong on his second attempt than his first, I don't know what to do with him". "I'd tell him to have another good look at his book before attempting the paper again" was the reply that he got from our assessor (who seemed to be his boss). Hardly proving ones competence is it?
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Post by tomplum on Apr 4, 2023 20:28:15 GMT
hey dafty, I enjoyed that video, I forgot about making it and i probably need locking up for doing it but, It was they way it was done at that time, knowing the law makers they have probably redone it again to force the gassafe plumbers to take further training and assessments to prove their competence make more money for themselves, I hope I helped some along the way,,,
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 5, 2023 8:46:39 GMT
Was it the correct thing to do to split the trades in 1992/96? No doubt the arrival of combination boilers in the UK from the continent was a big step up in boiler tech' from what the plumbers/gas engineers had been dealing with previously. So perhaps something extra was needed to be safe with gas from the time when I was at college (I can remember being taught about bi-metallic strips at college in 74 whilst at work things had already progressed onto thermocouples) I just don't think the gas-safe club was the correct answer. A lot of gas-safe members including Mr Tomcat have got the job stuck well up their own arse holes (in a previous video he actually condemns his own boiler) which I find very annoying, but then again he is protecting the exclusiveness of what has become his lively-hood and you can't blame him for that! U = I've remembered stands for "understanding" of ones own level of limitations on what jobs you can do!
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 5, 2023 8:52:24 GMT
The point being JJ, if you’re not ‘Competent’, Which means not trained. You can’t do Gas Work in your own Home.If you blow up your home or take the entire Street out & end up in front of the Court Beak, he asks you if you’re ‘competent’ & you say no. Then you’re someone’s Cell Bitch for some considerable time!! Yes you can. And tell me how am I gonna blow my house up? (Drafty garage in my case about 50M from the nearest house apart from mine). Its all based on fear and not losing work although I do accept there are some idiots and bodgers out there. Some of them are GasSafe. I’ve amended the way I worded my reply to JJ’s post Dafty. I’ve to be very careful, as I know people are hanging on my every word! The main point, as CF has stated, is competency & unfortunately, you’re not competent enough to do work on your own home Dafty. Now, you can argue until the cows come home as to who’s deemed competent. But it’s down to ‘proof of training’. You can’t legally drive a car without passing your Driving Test. Passing that Test, like any test, doesn’t make you a good driver or Gas Engineer!! As for your Garage location dear boy, c’mon??!!😂😂 Yes, I agree on the surface it appears that RGI’s rip you off. But you’re paying for their experience, Equipment, insurance, training etc etc etc. Their Overheads are vastly higher than any common Washer Changer!!
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 5, 2023 8:56:10 GMT
Not watched it yet but is it better than this one ? I’ve too much respect & adoration(in a manly way) to comment on our hosts video.
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Post by dickpuller on Apr 5, 2023 9:11:36 GMT
Was it the correct thing to do to split the trades in 1992/96? No doubt the arrival of combination boilers in the UK from the continent was a big step up in boiler tech' from what the plumbers/gas engineers had been dealing with previously. So perhaps something extra was needed to be safe with gas from the time when I was at college (I can remember being taught about bi-metallic strips at college in 74 whilst at work things had already progressed onto thermocouples) I just don't think the gas-safe club was the correct answer. A lot of gas-safe members including Mr Tomcat have got the job stuck well up their own arse holes (in a previous video he actually condemns his own boiler) which I find very annoying, but then again he is protecting the exclusiveness of what has become his lively-hood and you can't blame him for that! U = I've remembered stands for "understanding" of ones own level of what you jobs can do! From my experience, becoming a RGI will only enhances any Plumbers skill set & an essential part of a Plumbers every day life. Of course there’s good & bad RGI’s, the same with Washer Changers. Within my career, I’ve evolved CH fuel wise, from Solid Fuel, Log Burning, Oil, LPG, Nat Gas, Renewables, to more recently - Geothermal & Air Source Heat Pumps. After nearly 50 years in the Trade, perhaps I should minimise the diversity of my work?
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Post by crowsfoot on Apr 5, 2023 10:25:23 GMT
From every course that I attended I always tried to take at least one item into my long term memory before the silly tick the correct (one in four) box exercise at the end. To take in everything from these courses into ones long term memory would certainly take some doing unless you have a photographic memory. Perhaps the future is a basic plumbing qualification with just a couple of specialists addons?
Before I retired I could see a qualification/assessment in water hygiene rapidly becoming another item required to enhance a plumbers skill set (after all unlicenced work on plumbing could pollute the water main!) Perhaps we're drifting back to the we were plumbers "to a certain generation of plumbing" again?
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Post by DIYDafty on Apr 5, 2023 12:15:46 GMT
Yes you can. And tell me how am I gonna blow my house up? (Drafty garage in my case about 50M from the nearest house apart from mine). Its all based on fear and not losing work although I do accept there are some idiots and bodgers out there. Some of them are GasSafe. I’ve amended the way I worded my reply to JJ’s post Dafty. I’ve to be very careful, as I know people are hanging on my every word! The main point, as CF has stated, is competency & unfortunately, you’re not competent enough to do work on your own home Dafty. Now, you can argue until the cows come home as to who’s deemed competent. But it’s down to ‘proof of training’. You can’t legally drive a car without passing your Driving Test. Passing that Test, like any test, doesn’t make you a good driver or Gas Engineer!! As for your Garage location dear boy, c’mon??!!😂😂 Yes, I agree on the surface it appears that RGI’s rip you off. But you’re paying for their experience, Equipment, insurance, training etc etc etc. Their Overheads are vastly higher than any common Washer Changer!! I am allowed to drive a car on private land without a test but apart from that I'll grant you its a good analogy. As for the location, I didn't pick it. A Gas Safe Registered engineer did! It was always like that but I like it there. If starts belching out CO or blows up nobody's gonna get hurt.
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Post by battle1066 on Apr 5, 2023 17:39:16 GMT
That guy missed his vocation, he needs a bit more fresh air in his life and would benefit from a new roll in life as a traffic warden!
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Post by DIYDafty on Apr 5, 2023 19:24:19 GMT
I did force myself to watch it last night. He lost me about 4 to 5 minutes in when he seemed to completely disrespect non-gas plumbers. ".....technically a plumber could work here but to do anything useful you need to be a GAS SAFE REGISTERED ENGINEER !!!!......."
Other comment is he was talking about electrics quite a bit and when he did so he was doing _exactly_ what he is ranting against. i.e. People doing dangerous work that they have no training in. He even gives the example of the DIYer doing work on car brakes. How can he be so stupid not to realise that is exactly what he is doing every time he opens a customer's consumer unit?
He's no electrician and I wonder if they would have something to say about his comments that only a GAS SAFE REGISTERED ENGINEER can (for example) change a PCB. They might say what tests has he done before and after changing the board to ensure that his connections are safe, comply with the 19th and not a fire risk?
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