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Post by battle1066 on May 24, 2023 18:29:55 GMT
DD you under estimate your abilities, just relax,and enjoy the good weather - fix the boiler if it ever it fails you.
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Post by DIYDafty on May 24, 2023 19:02:10 GMT
😂😂 Sorry Dafty, I shouldn’t piss myself laughing & try to help. But this clearly indicates you’ve the logic of a 8 year old. This is not fannying around with Push Fit Pipe or fitting an outside tap, this is serious install work. It requires a hell’ve a lot more design than that!! You're more than welcome to laugh - at least it keeps this thread alive. Just back up your statements with reasoning to make it more interesting. My back of envelope architecture is bullet proof but I can go one better. Make the valves automated and connect them to a tiny embedded computer. Then I could control it with a user friendly app where you simply select which boiler. The valves, power and timings would be controlled by the comp. But don't fear I shan't be adding the idea to my existing (small) patent collection so you'll remain free to try it out yourself. haha |
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Post by joinerjohn on May 24, 2023 19:24:05 GMT
😂😂 Sorry Dafty, I shouldn’t piss myself laughing & try to help. But this clearly indicates you’ve the logic of a 8 year old. This is not fannying around with Push Fit Pipe or fitting an outside tap, this is serious install work. It requires a hell’ve a lot more design than that!! You're more than welcome to laugh - at least it keeps this thread alive. Just back up your statements with reasoning to make it more interesting. My back of envelope architecture is bullet proof but I can go one better. Make the valves automated and connect them to a tiny embedded computer. Then I could control it with a user friendly app where you simply select which boiler. The valves, power and timings would be controlled by the comp. But don't fear I shan't be adding the idea to my existing (small) patent collection so you'll remain free to try it out yourself. haha Wow Dafty, never realised you could program apps ( specially user friendly apps ) 😂😂😂 |
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Post by crowsfoot on May 25, 2023 7:48:17 GMT
I've long suspected that DD is really a plumbing genius and already knows all the answers to the questions that he's posting, in-fact he's just checking up on us to see if we know. His mistakes that he says he makes are just too typical of the average unthinking unsupervised apprentice would also make. Just my own thoughts on the real DD behind his "I'm such an idiot" postings  . DD; On your sketch you've got the flow arrows going the wrong way, both return and flow are heading towards the boiler. The return is correct ,however, the flow should be moving away from the boiler (another deliberate mistake I believe )! A lot of plumbers in the 70s did similar experiments to this on there own properties (just like in your sketch). Ah, the seventies, a real innovative time for all plumbers to try out there own inventions in central heating systems! |
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Post by dickpuller on May 25, 2023 10:16:16 GMT
I've long suspected that DD is really a plumbing genius and already knows all the answers to the questions that he's posting, in-fact he's just checking up on us to see if we know. His mistakes that he says he makes are just too typical of the average unthinking unsupervised apprentice would also make. Just my own thoughts on the real DD behind his "I'm such an idiot" postings . DD; On your sketch you've got the flow arrows going the wrong way, both return and flow are heading towards the boiler. The return is correct ,however, the flow should be moving away from the boiler (another deliberate mistake I believe )! A lot of plumbers in the 70s did similar experiments to this on there own properties (just like in your sketch). Ah, the seventies, a real innovative time for all plumbers to try out there own inventions in central heating systems! Aye, he’s Plumbing fucking genius!!😂😂😂 |
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Post by DIYDafty on May 25, 2023 12:05:07 GMT
I've long suspected that DD is really a plumbing genius and already knows all the answers to the questions that he's posting, in-fact he's just checking up on us to see if we know. His mistakes that he says he makes are just too typical of the average unthinking unsupervised apprentice would also make. Just my own thoughts on the real DD behind his "I'm such an idiot" postings . DD; On your sketch you've got the flow arrows going the wrong way, both return and flow are heading towards the boiler. The return is correct ,however, the flow should be moving away from the boiler (another deliberate mistake I believe )!A lot of plumbers in the 70s did similar experiments to this on there own properties (just like in your sketch). Ah, the seventies, a real innovative time for all plumbers to try out there own inventions in central heating systems! Not deliberate thats for sure but a bloody stupid mistake before posting it up! (You won't believe me but I did realise then got distracted before I had a chance to correct). I know you know I'm a lowly DIYer who gets ideas above his station on occasion. Apps - I am a software engineer so thats the easy part for me. But you'll all probably be glad after this thread I probably shan't follow your colleagues from the 1970s down the same route. Shame it would have been fun. |
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Post by dickpuller on May 25, 2023 15:59:14 GMT
For starters hydronicly speaking, we need to establish if your system is sealed or vented. And from a controls prospective, can you wire up CH controls? For Gas I can’t advise vou.
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Post by crowsfoot on May 26, 2023 7:21:19 GMT
I've long suspected that DD is really a plumbing genius and already knows all the answers to the questions that he's posting, in-fact he's just checking up on us to see if we know. His mistakes that he says he makes are just too typical of the average unthinking unsupervised apprentice would also make. Just my own thoughts on the real DD behind his "I'm such an idiot" postings . DD; On your sketch you've got the flow arrows going the wrong way, both return and flow are heading towards the boiler. The return is correct ,however, the flow should be moving away from the boiler (another deliberate mistake I believe )!A lot of plumbers in the 70s did similar experiments to this on there own properties (just like in your sketch). Ah, the seventies, a real innovative time for all plumbers to try out there own inventions in central heating systems! Not deliberate thats for sure but a bloody stupid mistake before posting it up! (You won't believe me but I did realise then got distracted before I had a chance to correct). I know you know I'm a lowly DIYer who gets ideas above his station on occasion. Apps - I am a software engineer so thats the easy part for me. But you'll all probably be glad after this thread I probably shan't follow your colleagues from the 1970s down the same route. Shame it would have been fun. AS YOU SAY DD.... !! |
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Post by crowsfoot on May 26, 2023 7:48:15 GMT
But you'll all probably be glad after this thread I probably shan't follow your colleagues from the 1970s down the same route. Shame it would have been fun. You would have loved plumbing in the 70s DD. No unvented (illegal); No Combi' boilers (illegal); No Gas-safe, and you had to to use a moleskin in order to shape lethal molten solder in your hand!! A servo-warm manual mixing valve in the airing cupboard enabled you (the customer) to decide exactly how much priority you and your family wanted to give to the hot water or central heating (simple yet brilliant). My favourite though was the injector tee (fitted facing directly into the boiler) which you connected the CH return to the primary gravity return circulation pipe. This would give the primaries a little boost when the pump is on enabling the plumber to get away with 22mm circulation pipes and long runs even with a very low circulation hight. All the funs gone out the job nowadays!! |
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Post by tomplum on May 26, 2023 21:12:43 GMT
Ah the Servowarm mixer valve yes, I worked for servowarm in the late eighties to early nineties, They broke the old rules of taditional plumbing by, 1. making a low water content boiler from copper, a trad boiler was cast iron 2. they put the flow from the boiler to the cylinder at the bottom instead of the top, this pushed the air out, 3. they did a combined feed and vent to the expansion tank in 15mm 5, they made the first ever fanned flue boiler, the seranto, It was a nightmare to service because, any restictions in the flue or airtake, blew the pilot out, 6. yes the manual diverter valve , This meant that, only the boiler needed wiring and was mostley done with a normal 3 pin plug 7.They made a boiler called the Elite which, was very good and lasted a long time, it was a simple boiler and efficient and contolled the flame to burn high when cold and turn down as the temp raised to ' simmer' the water, Servowarm were pioneers of the heating but, greed was the death of them, They had too many chiefs and , did not pay the injuns ( I was one of the braves) enough so we left and took the customers that, liked us,  |
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Post by dickpuller on May 27, 2023 6:03:25 GMT
The innovations over the years have been breathtaking. But yesterday is history, tomorrow a mystery & today is a gift(that’s why it’s called the present).
The future for CH is no mystery, its low temperature systems, in well insulated homes & finite CH controls. The cost of energy is getting so expensive, many people are selling their draughty old gaff & buying new, well insulated homes for that reason. Why throw money away on fuel, when you can heat your home for half the price.
I work on new builds & while the workmanship maybe somewhat wanting, people are amazed at their energy Bills!!
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Post by crowsfoot on May 27, 2023 9:08:28 GMT
There's certainly a lot more room for many more plumbing chiefs nowadays than there ever was in the 60s,70s & 80s. I never worked for servo-warm even though I did think that they were a good company to work for. I think you even had personal use of their van (which was a big perk in the recession hit 70s). The glands would often leak on those mixer valves (many merchants would also stocked them), a very simple job to renew though  . Dick (just out of interest), are you personally re-visiting the new properties and actually asking the occupants about their amazing low cost heating bills or are you just quoting the manufacturers statistics? |
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Post by dickpuller on May 27, 2023 11:41:23 GMT
There's certainly a lot more room for many more plumbing chiefs nowadays than there ever was in the 60s,70s & 80s. I never worked for servo-warm even though I did think that they were a good company to work for. I think you even had personal use of their van (which was a big perk in the recession hit 70s). The glands would often leak on those mixer valves (many merchants would also stocked them), a very simple job to renew though . Dick (just out of interest), are you personally re-visiting the new properties and actually asking the occupants about their amazing low cost heating bills or are you just quoting the manufacturers statistics? I do some Warranty Boiler service work cf. Some Sites can run for >two - three years, so you get to know some of the punters. Also, there’s lots of New Builds in our area. Mostly Gas boilers or sometimes hybrid ASHP & Gas boiler systems. I can advise punters on running their systems at a lower temperature & constantly operate systems with weather compensation controls. Many new builds have heatloss of under 6-8KW |
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Post by tomplum on May 27, 2023 20:51:39 GMT
yes Tappy you're right about the van being a perk, some guys even had a tow bar fitted to pull their caravan during the holidays, you had a fuel card too but, the wages were piss poor and we were encouraged to upsell a service, they even gave us lessons in , how to fit stuff not required to boost your revenue and we we all monitored with our takings, there was a league table and every month the top earner was given a prize and the bottom earner got dragged in the office and given a bollocking, I hated that, we were forced to cheat the customer, A new lad started and he was fic as fuck and he was a ' part changer' and he'd start at the most costly part and work down the parts till he got the boiler going, Servowarm loved him, his monthly figures were inexpressive and he got, top engineer prize a lot, The customers hated him because he was a wolf in sheeps clothes, he flooded houses, left things unsafe and won top engineer, I could no longer work at such a place and went back on sites when they picked up again in the early '90's,  |
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Post by crowsfoot on May 28, 2023 8:05:44 GMT
It does sound like that 70s80s90s era and I can personally relate to that bonus league table (how would that boss feel if he had his wages posted up every week for all to see?).
Shows everything in the past wasn't always better than it is today.
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