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Post by jcplumb on Jun 9, 2023 18:12:21 GMT
This has got to be the busiest OS tap season yet, I'm doing 3 a day.
I quite like doing them to be fair, pretty quick job, usually under an hour, only problems are where the sink units have a solid back board.
I've changed how I measure the hole, I now use the waste pipe through the wall as a reference if I can, nearly messed up with one today, 6 inches to the side of the waste pipe from the outside, came inside about half an inch from it. No idea why was a solid wall too but it must dog leg in there somewhere.
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Post by DIYDafty on Jun 9, 2023 19:36:05 GMT
This has got to be the busiest OS tap season yet, I'm doing 3 a day. I quite like doing them to be fair, pretty quick job, usually under an hour, only problems are where the sink units have a solid back board. I've changed how I measure the hole, I now use the waste pipe through the wall as a reference if I can, nearly messed up with one today, 6 inches to the side of the waste pipe from the outside, came inside about half an inch from it. No idea why was a solid wall too but it must dog leg in there somewhere. Go on JC how much did I save by doing it myself ?  And I know it wouldn't be as good a job as you but still interesting to know if you'd go as far as to share..... |
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Post by jcplumb on Jun 9, 2023 21:20:56 GMT
This has got to be the busiest OS tap season yet, I'm doing 3 a day. I quite like doing them to be fair, pretty quick job, usually under an hour, only problems are where the sink units have a solid back board. I've changed how I measure the hole, I now use the waste pipe through the wall as a reference if I can, nearly messed up with one today, 6 inches to the side of the waste pipe from the outside, came inside about half an inch from it. No idea why was a solid wall too but it must dog leg in there somewhere. Go on JC how much did I save by doing it myself ? And I know it wouldn't be as good a job as you but still interesting to know if you'd go as far as to share..... I'm a busy fool matey where outside taps are concerned. I charge £60 for an outside tap as long as it's going straight through from under the kitchen sink. I should charge about £90 round here for it but I see it as a 'loss leader', if you're unfamiliar with that term it describes how supermarkets sell things like beans for no profit but have your pants down on the price of bread and butter. i.e. the beans get you in the store then you buy other stuff that makes them profit. The materials are about £18 per job, I can get a through wall plate and bib tap from my merchants for £13 then it's just an ISO and check valve, a tee, an elbow and some copper. The way i see it I do an outside tap cheap but they'll only ever need it doing once. I do a good job, I'm pleasant, I tidy up after myself and respect their property, then when they need a new bathroom they call me The last one I did today, the customer has said she needs her bathroom doing once the garden is done (the tap was needed for that) and she'll give me a call when they're ready to have it done. Yesterday I did one and the customer asked me to look at their dripping mono mixer in the kitchen. I was back in the afternoon fixing that for normal rates. |
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Post by joinerjohn on Jun 9, 2023 21:32:48 GMT
JC, what size hole do you drill for the pipe ? I’m going to stick my neck out and guess 16 or 17mm ?
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Post by DIYDafty on Jun 9, 2023 21:52:41 GMT
Go on JC how much did I save by doing it myself ? And I know it wouldn't be as good a job as you but still interesting to know if you'd go as far as to share..... I'm a busy fool matey where outside taps are concerned. I charge £60 for an outside tap as long as it's going straight through from under the kitchen sink. I should charge about £90 round here for it but I see it as a 'loss leader', if you're unfamiliar with that term it describes how supermarkets sell things like beans for no profit but have your pants down on the price of bread and butter. i.e. the beans get you in the store then you buy other stuff that makes them profit. The materials are about £18 per job, I can get a through wall plate and bib tap from my merchants for £13 then it's just an ISO and check valve, a tee, an elbow and some copper. The way i see it I do an outside tap cheap but they'll only ever need it doing once. I do a good job, I'm pleasant, I tidy up after myself and respect their property, then when they need a new bathroom they call me The last one I did today, the customer has said she needs her bathroom doing once the garden is done (the tap was needed for that) and she'll give me a call when they're ready to have it done. Yesterday I did one and the customer asked me to look at their dripping mono mixer in the kitchen. I was back in the afternoon fixing that for normal rates. Clever stuff with the pricing. I have no idea but round here in the SE, I would have thought even £90 was on the cheap side. If it was dickpuller doing it, I'm sure his price would be £299 "plus the vat" but he would helpfully walk the little old ladies round to the cash machine.... For the hole, surely 16mm would be too small even without insulation? |
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Post by joinerjohn on Jun 9, 2023 22:08:11 GMT
Alright Dafty, 17mm gives it 1mm all round clearance, or even 19mm ( 2mm clearance all round)
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Post by jcplumb on Jun 9, 2023 22:14:00 GMT
JC, what size hole do you drill for the pipe ? I’m going to stick my neck out and guess 16 or 17mm ? Pretty sure it's 18mm, if the hole is too tight you tend to gouge the copper tube when pushing it through the wall which can make getting a water tight seal an issue if it's deeply scratched where the fitting goes on. Also, I sometimes need to solder an endfeed coupler on the tube of the through wall plate to extend it if it's a thick wall, as long as there's no snots I have a 20mm I use that's just big enough to let the coupler through. |
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Post by dickpuller on Jun 10, 2023 5:37:02 GMT
This has got to be the busiest OS tap season yet, I'm doing 3 a day. I quite like doing them to be fair, pretty quick job, usually under an hour, only problems are where the sink units have a solid back board. I've changed how I measure the hole, I now use the waste pipe through the wall as a reference if I can, nearly messed up with one today, 6 inches to the side of the waste pipe from the outside, came inside about half an inch from it. No idea why was a solid wall too but it must dog leg in there somewhere. My college’s & I sometimes get asked to do them for new home owners on New Build sites. With a tee, bit of copper, wall plate elbow, couple of elbows, tap, double check valve, stop Cock & a few fixing/sundries etc it’s about 40 quids worth of material. Minimum 60 quid Labour that takes it to £99.99. A very long time ago, an old Builder, a very successful one! Told me; never buy work, your reputation will ensure you never need to buy work. 25mm Hole & sleeve the 15mm copper tube with a bit of 22mm plastic tube. Brick & masonry will corrode copper tube. I stopped using the round flange backplate for Garden Taps. I found it too hard to get a flat surface around the hole. so resorted to an elbow pointing down & standard Wall Plate Elbow. |
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Post by dickpuller on Jun 10, 2023 5:52:12 GMT
I'm a busy fool matey where outside taps are concerned. I charge £60 for an outside tap as long as it's going straight through from under the kitchen sink. I should charge about £90 round here for it but I see it as a 'loss leader', if you're unfamiliar with that term it describes how supermarkets sell things like beans for no profit but have your pants down on the price of bread and butter. i.e. the beans get you in the store then you buy other stuff that makes them profit. The materials are about £18 per job, I can get a through wall plate and bib tap from my merchants for £13 then it's just an ISO and check valve, a tee, an elbow and some copper. The way i see it I do an outside tap cheap but they'll only ever need it doing once. I do a good job, I'm pleasant, I tidy up after myself and respect their property, then when they need a new bathroom they call me The last one I did today, the customer has said she needs her bathroom doing once the garden is done (the tap was needed for that) and she'll give me a call when they're ready to have it done. Yesterday I did one and the customer asked me to look at their dripping mono mixer in the kitchen. I was back in the afternoon fixing that for normal rates. Clever stuff with the pricing. I have no idea but round here in the SE, I would have thought even £90 was on the cheap side. If it was dickpuller doing it, I'm sure his price would be £299 "plus the vat" but he would helpfully walk the little old ladies round to the cash machine.... For the hole, surely 16mm would be too small even without insulation? “Good work ain’t cheap. Cheap work ain’t good”!!! |
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Post by dickpuller on Jun 10, 2023 5:58:11 GMT
Go on JC how much did I save by doing it myself ? And I know it wouldn't be as good a job as you but still interesting to know if you'd go as far as to share..... I'm a busy fool matey where outside taps are concerned. I charge £60 for an outside tap as long as it's going straight through from under the kitchen sink. I should charge about £90 round here for it but I see it as a 'loss leader', if you're unfamiliar with that term it describes how supermarkets sell things like beans for no profit but have your pants down on the price of bread and butter. i.e. the beans get you in the store then you buy other stuff that makes them profit. The materials are about £18 per job, I can get a through wall plate and bib tap from my merchants for £13 then it's just an ISO and check valve, a tee, an elbow and some copper. The way i see it I do an outside tap cheap but they'll only ever need it doing once. I do a good job, I'm pleasant, I tidy up after myself and respect their property, then when they need a new bathroom they call me The last one I did today, the customer has said she needs her bathroom doing once the garden is done (the tap was needed for that) and she'll give me a call when they're ready to have it done. Yesterday I did one and the customer asked me to look at their dripping mono mixer in the kitchen. I was back in the afternoon fixing that for normal rates. A good business strategy JC👍👍👍 Another good money maker; distract the Old Dear with something & Dip her Purse when she’s out of the Room. OAP’s away have Cash👍👍👍 |
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Post by jcplumb on Jun 10, 2023 13:24:23 GMT
25mm Hole & sleeve the 15mm copper tube with a bit of 22mm plastic tube. Brick & masonry will corrode copper tube. I've seen 1/2" copper through walls that has been there for 50+ years with no noticeable corrosion, the only pipe failures I've seen when called to burst outside tap pipework have been exposed pipe bursting from a freeze. I know copper pipe isn't what it used to be but I'll go out on a limb here and admit I don't sleeve it. I use the through wall plates to limit the amount of freezable exposed pipework, can't always use them as you say the brickwork/stone can sometimes be too rough. If my outside taps last 30 years that's definitely long enough for the 'tail-light warranty' to have passed. Copyright disclaimer : 'tail-light warranty' is a registered trademark of Sir Tom Plumb Industries, a phrase I picked up off this forum that was posted by Tom a few years back |
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Post by dickpuller on Jun 16, 2023 18:13:49 GMT
If the outside tap is connected to a traditional Wall Plate Elbow & it’s a standard bib tap with no integral DCV. With an elbow facing down. It’ll drain better when you shut it off in the Winter.
At Puller Towers, I always disconnect internally & blast compressed air through the tube, just to ensure it elevated all water.
Same with Fang’s Dog Shower, it gets the same treatment.
I do offer a modest £180 charge to customers for the same. Pointing out that it could avoid flooding their home when hard frost hits.
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