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Post by tomplum on Jan 28, 2021 20:32:30 GMT
Systems we did back in the day that we don't do now, one that was popular because of the cost round Wigan was the double Multipoint, Commonly the Main Mersey water heater, its a water heater that gives hot water, It heats the incoming cold straight to every hot tap in the house but, does not do heating so, We the plumber would put another in filled from a header tank feeding the rads, When the pump was activated , the diaphram in the water/gas valve sensed it and, the boiler fired up. It heated the rad quickly and a room stat was fitted to control the pump, as the pump stopped so did the boiler, Was this used in any other area's ?  |
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Post by woodbine66 on Jan 28, 2021 20:47:46 GMT
Never heard of that one, Tom. Very ingenious. Suppose if you were on a really tight budget, could heat the rads from the Ascot.  |
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Post by pawleyplumber on Jan 28, 2021 21:13:57 GMT
the oldest thing iv ripped out is a boiler mate 2000 and a few glowworm hideaways. heavy things they are. not really been in the game much and im only 30. tom that systems sounds like it been around before i was even thought of
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Post by tomplum on Jan 28, 2021 21:37:32 GMT
Later on in life I worked for Servowarm as a , service engineer, 1989 to 1993, they were very futuristic and invented the very first, fanned flued boiler, I was called a sorento and it was very fickle because it had a pilot light and a fan, If the flue got any form of interruption, very often rot holes, or water ingeress or even spider webs, the pilot would get snuffed out, They were very troublesome, They also made one of the first combi's, it had two gas valves, one set low for the heating and one set high for the water, Their flag ship was the Elite Boiler, a low content boiler with a pump over run, a self modulating gas valve , timer and pump, all contained in one unit, so the boiler was fitted and just plugged in to a plug socket, the hot water/ heating control was from a servowarm valve fitted in the airing cupboard near the cylinder, A manual valve to just flip from, hot water only or hot water and heating, installation was quicker and gangs of installers were doing, ' central heating in a day', usually a gang of six, 4 rad rats, a plumber and a plumbers mate, rough as fuck installation, fucked up floor boards, leaks gallor and ruined carpets were an everyday event, god money was earned by the cowboys,, no need for corgi or gassafe either  |
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Post by dickpuller on Jan 29, 2021 6:51:58 GMT
Systems we did back in the day that we don't do now, one that was popular because of the cost round Wigan was the double Multipoint, Commonly the Main Mersey water heater, its a water heater that gives hot water, It heats the incoming cold straight to every hot tap in the house but, does not do heating so, We the plumber would put another in filled from a header tank feeding the rads, When the pump was activated , the diaphram in the water/gas valve sensed it and, the boiler fired up. It heated the rad quickly and a room stat was fitted to control the pump, as the pump stopped so did the boiler, Was this used in any other area's ?  Never seen that Tom, but simple, cheap & it worked👍👍👍 |
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Post by dickpuller on Jan 29, 2021 7:48:59 GMT
On Gas, we used the aforementioned Apollo. But with only one Zone valve. The HW was set on gravity, with only the boiler thermostat controlling the temperature. A Room Stat controlled the single ZV.
Two channel programmer, with the Ch switched off in the Summer.
A very cheap S plan & spanked the competition on price👍👍
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Post by crowsfoot on Jan 29, 2021 8:14:56 GMT
Later on in life I worked for Servowarm as a , service engineer, 1989 to 1993, they were very futuristic and invented the very first, fanned flued boiler, I was called a sorento and it was very fickle because it had a pilot light and a fan, If the flue got any form of interruption, very often rot holes, or water ingeress or even spider webs, the pilot would get snuffed out, They were very troublesome, They also made one of the first combi's, it had two gas valves, one set low for the heating and one set high for the water, Their flag ship was the Elite Boiler, a low content boiler with a pump over run, a self modulating gas valve , timer and pump, all contained in one unit, so the boiler was fitted and just plugged in to a plug socket, the hot water/ heating control was from a servowarm valve fitted in the airing cupboard near the cylinder, A manual valve to just flip from, hot water only or hot water and heating, installation was quicker and gangs of installers were doing, ' central heating in a day', usually a gang of six, 4 rad rats, a plumber and a plumbers mate, rough as fuck installation, fucked up floor boards, leaks gallor and ruined carpets were an everyday event, god money was earned by the cowboys,, no need for corgi or gassafe either I've replaced a few of those SW manual valves when they leaked from the gland/mixer in the past. Very simple idea though that put the customer in control of how much heating/hot water they wanted. The SW valves were fitted on normal systems in place of MVs, so they must have been available on the open market. Those thingamajig's that fitted into the immersion heater boss thus converting the existing direct cylinder into an indirect one were very popular around these parts - again a cheap cheap job. |
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Post by tomplum on Jan 29, 2021 8:36:05 GMT
Yes Tappy I've used those too
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Post by woodbine66 on Jan 29, 2021 15:46:28 GMT
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Post by dickpuller on Jan 29, 2021 18:46:42 GMT
Yes Tappy I've used those too Me also Tom👍👍 Other wonderful product were used to speed up the installation; Sidewinders, used to convert existing direct cylinders to indirect. Spartan Expansion Vessel, used in place of an F&E tank. Like a Primatic cylinder. Tapstat, was a valve fitted on the Flow to the cylinder & would shut down when the HE reached its temperature. Then aforementioned Primatic Cylinder, this was a single feed cylinder with a bubble inside. It eliminated the need for an F&E tank. Many, many products came & went. Microbore systems were a revelation at the time. Two 8mm pipes could be run anywhere to feed a radiator. Fitted in Trunking, along Skirting....The possibilities were endless!! One mob I worked for would cut a channel in the joints of T&G flooring & run the two pipes in that. A golden era, where there was a huge demand for Central Heating. We were all Millionaires, driving top of the range Ford Capris & Beamers. We worked our arse off on 12 hour shifts, made loads of money, spent it on birds & booze....Happy, happy days👍👍👍 |
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Post by tomplum on Jan 29, 2021 20:17:06 GMT
great tune that Dick we should make that our anthem  |
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Post by tomplum on Jan 29, 2021 20:27:12 GMT
another servowarm ' thinking out of the box' idea was to feed the flow to the cylinder at the bottom tapping, This pushed the hot water from the boiler up the coil and the air with it, This worked well and meant quieter heating, This was never replicated by anyone else so, there is a market for some young entrepreneur to develop further and leave his/her mark in the heating industry
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Post by woodbine66 on Jan 29, 2021 21:27:44 GMT
Like the song, Dick. Never heard that one before.
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Post by dickpuller on Jan 30, 2021 7:25:50 GMT
great tune that Dick we should make that our anthem  Oh, without question Tom. It’s a Punk Classic!!! As Plumbers, we can’t forget our heritage, our career in the 70’s & 80’s. Where it wasn’t just the Yuppies that were making a fortune, we were minted!! Think of a price & treble it, ‘Can you start Monday Dick’?? |
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Post by crowsfoot on Jan 31, 2021 10:27:41 GMT
Whoever wrote the lyrics to that tune must have had some experience of fitting central heating because they are so true to life. Never heard of the group before so perhaps he went back to fitting central heating for a living after recording. NB I once worked with a guitarist who went back to fitting central heating systems after his bid for pop stardom failed. It's only a very minor connection and his band were "bubbling under" at the same time "Altered Images" Human League" "Simple Minds" were just taking off but it didn't happen for them and he came back to plumbing after 3 years of trying to become a pop star. He wasn't the singer and only gets his name mentioned twice in the whole article,however, it is a true story of which I didn't believe when he first told me, so hey I almost worked for 6 months with an almost pop star. www.ltmrecordings.com/foreign_press.html |
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